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Mythbusters 10/8: Blind driving & golf myths

Christopher

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Blind driving with a navigator: I'm a bit bothered by the experimental design, with the navigator sitting in the back seat. In the scene from Scent of a Woman they're trying to replicate, the navigator (Chris O'Donnell, I think) is in the front passenger seat. That would give him a different eyeline, a different sense of perspective, from the driver's seat or the back seat, and affect his perceptions. I've become aware of this since, within the past few months, my father had to give up driving and I had to learn. And he's told me that, now that he's seeing the road from the passenger side, he keeps thinking I'm too far over in the lane, because his perspective has shifted. Which tells me that it isn't easy for someone in the front passenger seat to correctly gauge the position and motion of the car in order to navigate it well. But by sitting in the back seat in the middle/left, Adam and Jamie aren't replicating that same difficulty that O'Donnell's character would've had, so it's not really an accurate test of the scene. (Yes, I know driving instructors can navigate from the passenger's seat, but they're trained for that. I'm assuming O'Donnell's character wasn't a driving instructor by trade.)

That abandoned military base is a cool location, but it's kind of puzzling that it exists. I mean, this whole huge swath of land is just empty? Nobody's moved in to rezone or develop it? Why not? If there were something dangerous left over like toxins or unexploded mines, I assume they wouldn't let the Mythbusters tape there.

Anyway, their guest driver Jerry did a lot better than I did my first day -- but then, I probably would've been less nervous on completely empty roads like those. I wonder, is he someone who was formerly sighted and has past experience driving, or was this his first time ever behind the wheel of a car?


Golf/tree: First off, Kari was cute in the golf togs. Second -- that's not a robot Grant built, it's just a simple air cannon! I was expecting some mechanical wonder with a pneumatic actuator swinging a club. Phooey. Third, if the volume of a tree were 90% air, that wouldn't mean the surface cross-section was 90% empty, so the explanation of the premise of the myth was flawed.

Golf/lightning: It was pretty obvious that metal cleats wouldn't attract lightning -- I mean, they're way down at ground level. This was just an excuse to play with the lightning-generating facility again.

Golf/Caddyshack: Again, it was pretty obvious, at least to veteran Mythbusters viewers, that a real C4 explosion wouldn't produce big bright fireballs, which are only produced by liquid-fuel explosions. A long-lasting fireball means a low-energy explosion; anything with real kick is going to burn up or blow apart anything combustible in a split-second and just have a brief flash. As for the shock wave not knocking the ball in, that's a little surprising, but I guess the ground is soft and flexible enough to absorb the blast. Maybe with firmer ground, or a slightly different shape to the surface immediately around the hole, or with more luck, the ball would've fallen in.
 
I wonder, is he someone who was formerly sighted and has past experience driving, or was this his first time ever behind the wheel of a car?
I have not seen this episode yet, but if they're trying to accurately re-create the scenario from Scent of a Woman, they'd need to find a driver who was formerly sighted and had past driving experience, because that's what Col. Slade was.
 
They also used that military base a month or so back with the Road Rage episode.

They way all those cones were getting hit, you'd think Troi was behind the wheel. BA ZING.


I've always wanted to runs over cones. Never do, but always wanted to. Been wanting to try and see if you run over the edge, if you can send them shooting up into the air like in "The Man Who Knew Too Little".
 
"You ever try a pink golf ball, Wally? Why, the Wind Shear alone on a pink golf ball can take the head off a midget at 90 yards."
 
They way all those cones were getting hit, you'd think Troi was behind the wheel. BA ZING.

Now, there's a myth that needs busting. The Enterprise-D saucer was a dead weight larger than an aircraft carrier, plummeting out of orbit from hundreds of kilometers up, and Troi brought it down to a safe, flat landing without a single crewmember being lost. That's amazingly good piloting.
 
I've always wanted to runs over cones. Never do, but always wanted to. Been wanting to try and see if you run over the edge, if you can send them shooting up into the air like in "The Man Who Knew Too Little".
You should suggest that for the next time they do a "Movie Myths" special.
 
Blind driving with a navigator: I'm a bit bothered by the experimental design, with the navigator sitting in the back seat. In the scene from Scent of a Woman they're trying to replicate, the navigator (Chris O'Donnell, I think) is in the front passenger seat. That would give him a different eyeline, a different sense of perspective, from the driver's seat or the back seat, and affect his perceptions. I've become aware of this since, within the past few months, my father had to give up driving and I had to learn. And he's told me that, now that he's seeing the road from the passenger side, he keeps thinking I'm too far over in the lane, because his perspective has shifted. Which tells me that it isn't easy for someone in the front passenger seat to correctly gauge the position and motion of the car in order to navigate it well. But by sitting in the back seat in the middle/left, Adam and Jamie aren't replicating that same difficulty that O'Donnell's character would've had, so it's not really an accurate test of the scene. (Yes, I know driving instructors can navigate from the passenger's seat, but they're trained for that. I'm assuming O'Donnell's character wasn't a driving instructor by trade.)

I wonder if the driving instructor had to be in the passeneger seat for legal/insurnace reasons or something. But I also wondered too on Jamie sititng in the back. Although, if they were going to do the "drunk" test then Jamie had to be in the backseat for both experiments for the sake of consistancy.

That was kind of neat and I liked the blind guy they should make him a cast memeber! I, too, wondered if he was always blind or previously sighted/had driven.

That abandoned military base is a cool location, but it's kind of puzzling that it exists. I mean, this whole huge swath of land is just empty? Nobody's moved in to rezone or develop it? Why not? If there were something dangerous left over like toxins or unexploded mines, I assume they wouldn't let the Mythbusters tape there.

Yeah, I wondered about that base too. I'd think it could make for a decent housing development or atleast redevelop it. But maybe the military has their reasons for keeping it?

Golf/tree: First off, Kari was cute in the golf togs. Second -- that's not a robot Grant built, it's just a simple air cannon! I was expecting some mechanical wonder with a pneumatic actuator swinging a club. Phooey. Third, if the volume of a tree were 90% air, that wouldn't mean the surface cross-section was 90% empty, so the explanation of the premise of the myth was flawed.

Yeah. We got cheated on the "robot" their logic on this myth I also thought was odd too. People look at a tree and say "that's 90% air!" is just an off-the-cuff estimate. Doesn't mean it IS 90% air. Some statistics, measuring, or something should've been done to see how much of a tree's volume is air opposed to "tree."


Golf/lightning: It was pretty obvious that metal cleats wouldn't attract lightning -- I mean, they're way down at ground level. This was just an excuse to play with the lightning-generating facility again.

Yeah. This was pretty much a repeat of the tounge-stud/jewlery myth done way back in the first season. But, and knowing their viewers based off their website, some of those people have to see every variation of events to realize it being busted and even then...


Golf/Caddyshack: Again, it was pretty obvious, at least to veteran Mythbusters viewers, that a real C4 explosion wouldn't produce big bright fireballs, which are only produced by liquid-fuel explosions. A long-lasting fireball means a low-energy explosion; anything with real kick is going to burn up or blow apart anything combustible in a split-second and just have a brief flash. As for the shock wave not knocking the ball in, that's a little surprising, but I guess the ground is soft and flexible enough to absorb the blast. Maybe with firmer ground, or a slightly different shape to the surface immediately around the hole, or with more luck, the ball would've fallen in.

Yeah, again this was another "myth" just done to show how overdone Hollywood explosions are and to get in the requisite explosion for the episode.

The ball not going in? Seems to me to be up-there with explosions not "blowing away" people like in movies and rather just absorb the target.
 
People look at a tree and say "that's 90% air!" is just an off-the-cuff estimate. Doesn't mean it IS 90% air. Some statistics, measuring, or something should've been done to see how much of a tree's volume is air opposed to "tree."

That would be relatively simple to do. measure the volume of the intact tree, cut off everything above where the branches start, send everything through a wood chipper and measure the volume again. the difference is the air. Even if it is 90% air that doesn't mean 90% of the tree has corridors large enough for a golf ball to fit through.
 
I wonder if the driving instructor had to be in the passeneger seat for legal/insurnace reasons or something.

I think that's very likely. Still, to replicate the myth properly, it should then have been the instructor giving the directions. Sometimes the Mythbusters' experimental design is hampered by the insistence on having the hosts themselves be the ones conducting the tests.


Yeah. We got cheated on the "robot" their logic on this myth I also thought was odd too. People look at a tree and say "that's 90% air!" is just an off-the-cuff estimate. Doesn't mean it IS 90% air. Some statistics, measuring, or something should've been done to see how much of a tree's volume is air opposed to "tree."

I think focusing on how much of the tree was air is missing the point. The underlying idea was that if there's a tree between you and the green, it's better to drive straight at the tree rather than working around it. And the fact that only about 1/4 of their balls went through means that myth is busted.
 
I think focusing on how much of the tree was air is missing the point. The underlying idea was that if there's a tree between you and the green, it's better to drive straight at the tree rather than working around it. And the fact that only about 1/4 of their balls went through means that myth is busted.

I'd say it's only partly busted.

Sure only 25% of the balls got through (where did the other 75% go?) would it have been better in the number of strokes it took to get to the green/sink the ball by going around the tree or to try going through it?

Or easier? I don't know a lot about Golf but it seems to me that if you're behind a tree then you've got to fire the ball off to one side then go from there to the green/cup.

If you try and go though the tree you've got a 25% chance of making it on the green and then all you've go to do is putt (rather than now hit the ball from where it landed from avoiding the tree, to the green/closer to the cup, and THEN putt) and if you're in that 75% that didn't make it to the green are you still better off than you would be if you tried avoiding the tree.


I think that's very likely. Still, to replicate the myth properly, it should then have been the instructor giving the directions. Sometimes the Mythbusters' experimental design is hampered by the insistence on having the hosts themselves be the ones conducting the tests.

Well, on that, we get into a "it's a tv show" kind of area. Because, yeah, in the case it'd make sense for the instructor to do the directing but then Jamie or Adam are not part of the myth, they're the stars so what do you have them do? Part of the "fun" of this show is Jamie and Adam trying to do these things -even if in part- not to see them get others to do it.

It's kind of one of those "this show is for entertainment purpsoes only, please consult a qualified myth debunker before deciding if these myths really are busted" moments. ;)
 
I've tried to watch this one twice, and have fallen asleep / lost interest both times. :lol:

The blind driving seems a foregone conclusion to me, and anything involving golf bores me to tears.

They can't all be zingers I guess. I'll wait for the next episode. :cool:
 
That abandoned military base is a cool location, but it's kind of puzzling that it exists. I mean, this whole huge swath of land is just empty? Nobody's moved in to rezone or develop it? Why not? If there were something dangerous left over like toxins or unexploded mines, I assume they wouldn't let the Mythbusters tape there.
I don't watch the show, but there are several in the Bay Area they've been known to use. Any idea which this was? Mare Island (closed Naval shipyard facility near Vallejo) sounds like the most likely candidate for that description, and has some toxic issues but no mines that I'm aware of.
 
The blind driving seems a foregone conclusion to me...

Are you sure? The assumption, I'd think, would be that it couldn't work, but they actually found that it could, if the driver and navigator were in synch.


That abandoned military base is a cool location, but it's kind of puzzling that it exists. I mean, this whole huge swath of land is just empty? Nobody's moved in to rezone or develop it? Why not? If there were something dangerous left over like toxins or unexploded mines, I assume they wouldn't let the Mythbusters tape there.
I don't watch the show, but there are several in the Bay Area they've been known to use. Any idea which this was? Mare Island (closed Naval shipyard facility near Vallejo) sounds like the most likely candidate for that description, and has some toxic issues but no mines that I'm aware of.

No, it's not that kind of facility. It's a bunch of residential streets and suburban housing. I think it was residences for base personnel. Or maybe a simulated suburban area for some kind of training exercises? I don't know about that.
 
That abandoned military base is a cool location, but it's kind of puzzling that it exists. I mean, this whole huge swath of land is just empty? Nobody's moved in to rezone or develop it? Why not? If there were something dangerous left over like toxins or unexploded mines, I assume they wouldn't let the Mythbusters tape there.
I don't watch the show, but there are several in the Bay Area they've been known to use. Any idea which this was? Mare Island (closed Naval shipyard facility near Vallejo) sounds like the most likely candidate for that description, and has some toxic issues but no mines that I'm aware of.

No, it's not that kind of facility. It's a bunch of residential streets and suburban housing. I think it was residences for base personnel. Or maybe a simulated suburban area for some kind of training exercises? I don't know about that.
Could be Alameda or Treasure Island, both of which had pretty substantial residential areas. I guess if I could find a clip or some stills from the segment, it might be easier to try to make a call.

Vacant residential areas adjoining bases might not be that uncommon, though; there's one next to the old Norton Air Force Base near where I live now which stood empty and overgrown for years before they finally knocked it all down.

Edit: I found an overview clip from the show on YouTube and from what I can see (at around 1:35 in the clip) it looks like it might be this area at the old Fort Ord, near Monterey. (The police officers have shoulder patches reading "Marina".) Parts of that facility have become the Cal State Monterey Bay campus, others are (or were) in the process of becoming commercial property, but there are still a number of unused areas.
 
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