It seems insane that they wouldn't be able just to work out some agreement with the union, where the musicians got some more money every time their old recordings were re-used.
Music on TOS
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Trust me when I say that there are MANY such 'insane' types of rules when it comes to a Hollywood union production produced in the area. It's honestly the reason WHTY so many things are produced/filmed in Canada and Austrailia these days.
I can't recall the composer's name.
Anyway, I understand your point completely, as someone who ONLY listnes to film scores, and runs a site (HERE) and knows quite a lot about how it works, and even talks to some (including one famous one).
I also understand your frustration. I ccan't count hte number of times I go to IMDB and someone says something like:
"whats the name of that song they always use when so-and-so..."
Number one: it's not a song. Number two: Unless you're watching something from the 70's downward, the chances of it being the same piece, are extremely unlikely.
Anyway, I understand your point completely, as someone who ONLY listnes to film scores, and runs a site (HERE) and knows quite a lot about how it works, and even talks to some (including one famous one).
I also understand your frustration. I ccan't count hte number of times I go to IMDB and someone says something like:
"whats the name of that song they always use when so-and-so..."
Number one: it's not a song. Number two: Unless you're watching something from the 70's downward, the chances of it being the same piece, are extremely unlikely.
I kinda like the idea of certain themes for certain situations. The clarinet based theme for female guest stars, the low-pitched drum/piano/brass thing for desperate situations, the classic ending fanfare, ahh, TV used to be so good.
It would be really cool if the new film featured musical movements similar to the original score. It would be a way to connect old fans to the movie in a way they may not be conscious of.
It would be really cool if the new film featured musical movements similar to the original score. It would be a way to connect old fans to the movie in a way they may not be conscious of.
That makes me nuts. Are people so unfamiliar with music?
Considering the state of musical education in the US it's not all that surprising.
Many people of this new generation of the 80's and some from the 70's don't know what Star Trek is. Neither would they understand the music associated to a turmoiled time.
66-69 was pretty turmoiled. After all Vietnam, Draft Protests and Civil rights. It was a turmoiled time because they were being forced into a new age. Despite the time, it was a fresh look at the future and not too bad of show.
It wasn't Bonanza or Gunsmoke, or Lost in Space, but it was something that was innovative for the time.
66-69 was pretty turmoiled. After all Vietnam, Draft Protests and Civil rights. It was a turmoiled time because they were being forced into a new age. Despite the time, it was a fresh look at the future and not too bad of show.
It wasn't Bonanza or Gunsmoke, or Lost in Space, but it was something that was innovative for the time.
Gunsmoke was innovative in many ways, and Bonanza was a fine show. And both had excellent music.
"Turmoiled" - not a word.
I've recently learned something about M*A*S*H's music, namely that the rules required that the theme be re-recorded each season - but the producer had the option of using the older recording if he wanted to. As long as the musicians were paid for a new recording, it didn't matter which version got used.
Perhaps that was true of STAR TREK as well. I can't say, since I'm not that *into* the union rules and regs of '60s TV music. I realize that M*A*S*H was a '70s show and that rules change, but still, perhaps it explains why some older tracks were used on newer shows and sometimes newer tracks could be heard.
Harry
Perhaps that was true of STAR TREK as well. I can't say, since I'm not that *into* the union rules and regs of '60s TV music. I realize that M*A*S*H was a '70s show and that rules change, but still, perhaps it explains why some older tracks were used on newer shows and sometimes newer tracks could be heard.
Harry
No! No! You are not alone! The music of TOS is superb. Excellent and wonderfully retro. I believe it is mid-twentieth century art work--a musical counterpoint to the architecture--boxy and random and sometimes almost non-sequitor....John Williams music is like this too..but with a lot more romantic late 19th century mixed in. Jerry Goldsmith is great to...what a shame these DOPES who used to run Trek had one more chance to get Goldsmith before his passing recently and they blew it! Instead hiring adult contemporary bla bla person Diane whatever her name is.
Details! Details! But, anyway, as great as Goldsmith was; I do love the old TOS music. PLUS the sound effects. I love the weird effects and the trippy music and the guitar licks and melodys. Music back than was so much more melody driven and just plain better and more advanced.
I hope Abrams realizes this and does it right for trek 11.
Here are three things missing from new trek; sweaty dramatic face close-ups, old-style music and fiery emotions.
Yes, themes for female and male; I didn't think of that; but you're right. They played soft sweet music for whenever a woman comes on the screen. But, TNG and others stopped that old style cold. Another example of how PCness has wrecked Trek. See we can't stereotype anymore; even with music.
Little details like this are what make TOS the best by far.
See 100 years from now; no one will watch trek for the effects; only the drama, the acting and the stories and what they say about us. The music will still be great 100 years from now too.
Indeed. Good job. Some great movie & tv composers there.
TOS has the best music of any ST series period.
Would love to see some of it in the new upcoming movie.
Would love to see some of it in the new upcoming movie.
I must agree with both statements.
Hence no real reason to re-do the fantastic music of The Original Series like they do on remastered Trek (i.e. the main theme). I can't understand why they do it! To me classic Star Trek (or every series or movie of its time for that matter) is a piece of art -- and you wouldn't add 3D effects to a painting of Rembrandt just beacause you can do that today.
