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Most dated Star Trek episode or movie

What? OP topic? "Dated?" uh, uh, the punk on the bus.
If there's any scene I wouldn't take out, it's that one.

then I'd leave the film as it is!

Oh, I wouldn't take it out either. It just happens to be a very "eighties" character.
A fascinating scene where we learn that Vuclan nerve pinch can affect a ghetto blaster if the direct victim is touching it.:rommie:

I don't know if it's a coincidence, but in Klaa in the next movie is pretty Metalheadish. Is it simply an interpretation of a 25-year-old Kruge or is it a manner to depict Klaa as a young rebel/thug? In this case, Klaa would be an echo of the punk on the bus.

In the same way that the punk of TVH is very 80's, I find Shinzon an the Remans really 2002-03. You know, cloning (despite it wasn't a new thematic for Star Trek), vampires, cybergoth tone.
 
Yeah, the music didn't stop with the nerve pinch. It stopped when the punk walloped the ghetto blaster with his face.
 
I wouldn't say it's the "most" dated, but TSFS feels very much dated to me in comparison to TWOK. I can't really put my finger on it. That said, I still love the film!
 
Yeah, the music didn't stop with the nerve pinch. It stopped when the punk walloped the ghetto blaster with his face.

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Haha! And to think Klingons were supposed to be big scary warriors, he looks like a total douchebag. I'm glad Kruge vaporised him
 
The Space Hippies were about as close to real hippies as Dobie Gillis' Maynard G. Krebs was to real beatniks.

Indeed. It reminds me of those episodes of "Dragnet" where they go on and on about how Hippie culture was destroying the nation and it was obvious that the writers knew nothing about what Hippie culture actually was.

In regard to TVH, it's puzzling to me how a movie that is about travelling back in time can be thought of as "dated". True, it was the present day when it was made, but still. The time period is kinda the point.
 
I'd like to offer an oddball choice for least dated episode, at least of the Original Series: ``The Ultimate Computer''. The driving conflict in this episode is the fear that one can be replaced, not by a person --- who's got every right to be better fit than you --- but by a machine, which hasn't any rights. And the industrial and computer revolutions have been all about the point that anything a human can learn to do, a machine can do at least as well, and ultimately do more cheaply or reliably or indefatigably.

There are limits to what machines can do, certainly, and have always been. But the driving story for human labor since 1700 has been the pushing back of those limits until new categories of people who work find that their work isn't economical compared to that of the machines, and I can't see a plausible ending point for that progression.
 
In regard to TVH, it's puzzling to me how a movie that is about travelling back in time can be thought of as "dated". True, it was the present day when it was made, but still. The time period is kinda the point.

I agree. A work of science fiction is dated if its portrayal of the future is rooted in assumptions that are anachronistic or shortsighted in retrospect -- like, say, a 22nd century where women only get to be housewives and nonwhite people are nowhere to be seen, or a far-future interstellar empire where the computers use vacuum tubes and punch cards. But if a story is set in 1986 and portrays cultural or technological elements consistent with 1986, that is not dated in the least, because there's nothing wrong or incongruous about those elements in that chronological context.
 
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