Seriously, these comments are about as ignorant as any I've ever seen on this board.
Again, you people spout off about the law and constitutionality when you have absolutely no education nor professional background on either subject.
I'm not going to debate the merits of The Patriot Act with any of you because frankly none of you are qualified and it's really a waste of my time but you're all missing the bigger point: There is nothing to indicate that this has anything to do with The Patriot Act. All you have are the questionable claims by the mother.
I have searched high and low for any confirmation that this has anything to do with the Patriot Act and the only story that is referred to is the same story from WRAL where the mother
claims that he's being held under the Patriot Act. And don't tell me that the fact that I can't get confirmation on it is proof in and of itself that it is indeed the Patriot Act that is involved here. Lack of evidence isn't evidence. I can't confirm that he was abducted by aliens either so it doesn't mean that he must have been. Federal courts issue gag orders all of the time and it's been going on way before the Patriot Act became law.
I find this very limited coverage of this story very suspicious. Why does only one local news outlet have this story?
Where's the ACLU? You would think that they would be all over this.
Barring that where's her/his lawyer? It doesn't make any sense at all if what she claims is true that an attorney wouldn't have taken this case even if she couldn't afford to pay them. If the story is true, this is a goldmine case that any attorney would do pro bono for the publicity alone and would have called several press conferences by now. All they can do is get a former Federal Prosecutor with no connection to the case whatsoever to comment on why he doesn't like the Patriot Act? Seems a little odd, doesn't it?
Why does a 16 year-old kid have a bunch of flag quilts all over his bedroom? That's just weird in and of itself despite how patriotic any kid may be. I suspect the mother put those there before the interview to invoke sympathy.
And my biggest issue with her claims that nobody here or at the idiotic local news channel finds a little suspect is what she told the Feds after they kicked in the door and started searching the place:
Lundeby told the officers that someone had hacked into her son's IP address and was using it to make crank calls connected through the Internet, making it look like the calls had originated from her home when they did not.
Well, doesn't anyone find it a little odd that 1.) She would know to tell law enforcement that to begin with... I mean that's some complicated shit to just come up with right off the top of your head when Five-Oh shows up. 2.) if that were the case, why didn't she notify authorities before that this crime had been perpetrated against her or at least notify her provider? And even if she were able to find out that someone had hacked her I.P. address, how we should know that they were placing crank calls, which brings me back to if she did know why didn't she alert authorities to that?
And back to the first point that she would even be able to comprehend this whole concept of stealing IP address and making crank phone calls to begin with. First of all, incredibly unlikely. Second, what I can tell you about this broad is that she's manipulative as hell and will pretty much say anything to keep her kid out of trouble and she's not very good at it if you have any experiencing spotting liars. There's absolutely no question in my mind that she came up with this whole "stealing IP" nonsense after the fact in order to provide a good story for the press.
Beyond that the fact that she's very selective with the information that she's providing to the press (makes a point to say that there was no evidence found because no explosives materials were found but fails to mention whether or not there was evidence found on the computers or other equipment) she gives herself away with this:
There were no bomb-making materials, not even a blasting cap, not even a wire...
and what the print article left out conveniently that the televised interview didn't is:
...not even a... [AND THEN SHE CATCHES HERSELF]... I mean, I don't even know how to make bombs, but they didn't find anything.
She catches herself, because she realizes that the more she talks, the more it sounds like this whole story is a big scam that she's carefully prepared. She's done a lot of research to make her and her son look like victims here and I'm not buying it.
The worse part is that he local press is a willing particpant in the scam because that's what local tv stations do.
The fact is that there is far too little credible information about this case available but you can discern a lot by being just a little objective. The problem is that the local news, like the rest of you, wants to automatically blame the Patriot Act. None of you, including the media have any idea what the evidence against this kid is or that he is even being held under the Patriot act. What you have is the word of a very manipulative mother who is desperate to keep her kid out of jail.
I'm not suggesting that this kid has done a thing wrong or that I know for a fact that he's not being held under The Patriot Act (even though it does seem like this is just a standard Federal Criminal Complaint), but the fact is there's nothing to go on here but the word of his mother who's objectivity would be suspect even if she wasn't so blatant with her manipulation of the press for the simple fact that she's the kid's mother. You all (including the local media who just wants the outrage) want to blame the Patriot Act so badly that you're willing to ignore the most obvious inconsistencies with this story. Ironically, you're engaged in the same behavior that you blame the Partriot Act of doing: jumping to conclusions without evidence.
Not only that, has anyone taken a step back to just consider the profile of the kid involved here. Think about it. 16 year-old kid, home schooled, no father in the home, father's dead. Does anyone else besides me see the potential of at least the possibility of there being some emotional problems and problems in the social skills arena just based on that little bit of information? I'm not suggesting that he's guilty, I'm just suggesting that any objective analysis of this story should take that into consideration.
My favorite quote:
Undoubtedly, they were given false information, or they would not have had 12 agents in my house with a widow and two children and three cats.
So by that logic if they were given correct information that your son is indeed engaged in making several bomb threat calls they wouldn't have 12 agents at her house then? So I guess the Feds only investigate crimes when they have false information then?
Don't be sheep. It's embarrassing. Wait until there's more information before you automatically assume that this story is legitimate.
It's getting scary how much control the GOV'MENT has! And I feel bad for that kid & his family! Especially if he didn't do what he is accused of!
-- to track back to the source.
I am sorry for the entire family, I really am. I hope that this mess gets straightened out and fast. But by the same token, I also can't help but wonder why events like this even come as a shock. Particularly to those who are "patriotic" and thus are presumably aware of what goes on in our government these days.
