MLB Pseudo-Season 2020: A Plague of Their Own

Discussion in 'Sports and Fitness' started by Timby, Oct 31, 2019.

  1. Jayson1

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    I don't see that as a issue. If your going to risk your life wouldn't you at least want to be paid full pay instead of half pay? Why take a discount for something that might kill you especially in this case were it's just baseball and not something important like being a doctor or soldier etc.


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  2. The Nth Doctor

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    John Oliver's main story on Last Week Tonight last night talks about the very issues we've talked about here and several none of us touched on.

    But the best part is that he provides the most wonderful stand-in for everyone to enjoy while wait we for sports to return. I, for one, am already a fan!

     
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    75 year old Luke Appling hits a dinger in the 1982 Old Timers Game.

     
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  4. Timby

    Timby You will choke on those words, Guile. Administrator

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    MLB owners lobbied for years, and then successfully got, the right to pay minor-league players less than minimum wage (and literally got it written into the tax code).

    Fuck ownership, always side with labor.
     
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    This is incorrect on multiple levels. Elite athletes would generate an audience, an audience that will be willing to pay for the privilege of watching them play. That audience would prefer to watch them in comfort, and would pay even more for that comfort.
    Municipalities would see the benefit of regular crowds pumping dollars into their economy, and either build facilities or enter into a partnership with investors to build those facilities.
    So on and so forth.
    While elite players cannot expect to earn multi-million salaries without the efforts and capital of wealthy individuals, the ATHLETES are the critical ingredient - without them there would be no stadiums, no professional leagues, no multi-billion dollar distribution deals, no merch, no profit.
     
  6. BillJ

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    Back in the ‘80’s, players and owners proved they needed each other. The NFL players put on an All-Star exhibition during the ‘82 strike. In 1987, the owners put on games with replacement players.

    Fans weren’t much interested in either.
     
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    And in what fantasy world would that scenario happen? I'll help you out, it wouldn't and likely it never will. Baseball will go the way of the dodo before that happens.

    There's no question that the athletes are a critical ingredient but so are the people who own the teams. Maybe in some fantastical future that will change but for right now it's what we have. Both groups need each other.
     
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    The owners have the checkbooks and ownership of the history, the players have the talent and the ability to grow that history.
     
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    Huh, I wouldn't have thought that would make sense...but there it is.
     
  11. Jayson1

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    Then it looks like they have no excuse to create fewer minor league teams.

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  12. Timby

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  13. BillJ

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    Killjoy. :p
     
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  14. Timby

    Timby You will choke on those words, Guile. Administrator

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    Some call me a killjoy, some call me a realist. :P

    Edit: I think I've talked about this before, but what are the options for expansion?

    MLB isn't going to touch Las Vegas with a ten-foot pole, not with its history of gambling scandals.

    Mexico City is off the table due to drug and security concerns (and Mexico City is only getting worse, there are serious, systemic issues there).

    Portland hates baseball so much they converted their minor-league stadium to a soccer stadium, and beyond that the Mariners would throw a fucking fit over territorial rights.

    Montreal? Not viable in the slightest; Stadium Olympique needs to basically be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up, and there is zero voter support for public financing for such a project. And no investor is forking out money to build a new stadium in a city that was so ambivalent towards baseball that the previous team fucked off and went to Florida.

    Omaha? Maaaaaybe but I doubt the crowds would ever be there.

    Manfred can talk expansion all he wants but there really isn't a straight shot.
     
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    I think Charlotte would be a realistic possibility, I wouldn’t totally write off Las Vegas now that the NHL and NFL are there, and there are a smattering of other cities that might be areas where MLB could survive.

    I just wouldn’t write off expansion, as MLB may want to generate fast cash in the near future to cover losses related to COVID-19 and a possible work stoppage.
     
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    I agree that it's a longshot, but IIRC our ballpark was designed to be expandable to major league capacity.

    As for the crowds, there was a Royals/Tigers game there last year and it was a huge hit. FWIW. Plus I'd think that if we had our own team the crowds would be even bigger.

    And there'd be a ready-made rivalry with the Royals...

    The main problem I can see is the traffic. Omaha has no mass transit system to speak of, and there's not a lot of parking options downtown.
     
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  17. Jayson1

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    Oklahoma would welcomed the MLB just like we did with the NBA and the Thunder. We have had minor league teams as well. Already got us a name. The Oklahoma Tornados.

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    That could work...after all, there's a MLS soccer team called the Chicago Fire. :lol:
     
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    If you build it, they will come...

    Sorry, I couldn't stop myself. :p
     
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  20. BillJ

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    I think MLB (and the NBA) ends up in Vegas if the Golden Knights and Raiders continue their trend of selling tickets. Too fertile a market to ignore.