MLB 2017: Trades!

Discussion in 'Sports and Fitness' started by Timby, Apr 3, 2017.

  1. Timby

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    I wasn't aware statistics were equivalent to being a Debbie Downer. Reality must be harsh. Care to address anything else I said, or are you just comfortable in your "new york rulz all els droolz" bubble?
     
  2. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I don't recall mentioning New York... ;)

    Although I do actually enjoy the game. You may want to try that sometime. Probably more fun than doing nothing else all day but crunching numbers and finding new and creative ways to tell people they can't have fun.
     
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  3. Timby

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    Believe it or not, I have MLB.tv running in the background pretty much all day, every day, regardless of who is on. But when it comes to assessing players, yes, you're goddamn right I'm going to go to the numbers, and when I see an unnecessary circle-jerk, I'm going to call it out. Was there a 6-hour ESPN ceremony when Ken Griffey, Jr., had his number retired?
     
  4. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Oh, and as for Jeter: Sure, he's not a perfect player. Nobody's saying he was. But you can't deny that he's had an impact on the game even beyond his on-field performance.

    But don't take MY word for it...
     
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  5. Timby

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    Again: Saying a guy is overrated =/= saying a guy is shitty.
     
  6. Yanks

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    .310 career batting average, .320 when it counted the most.

    #2, Derek Jeter, #2
     
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  7. Use of Time

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    Jesus dude. Serious business here.
     
  8. Mr. Laser Beam

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    ^ That's kind of his thing, really.
     
  9. Tom Hendricks

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    I like Jeter, he is the greatest About Average player to ever play Baseball.
     
  10. Ar-Pharazon

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    I'm not sure which one to nominate for understatement of the century.
     
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  12. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Son of a bitch, that Rays pitcher needs to hurry the fuck up. I've never seen anyone take so long to deliver a pitch. :brickwall:
     
  13. Timby

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    Great read from Buster Olney on why "retaliation" is utterly moronic.

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    You know, hey, I'll own up to that. Definitely took MLB's comment too seriously -- sorry, dude.

    Here's where my frustration over the Jeter circle-jerk comes from: ESPN spent six hours -- six hours -- masturbating on television about a guy who's been retired for two years, and was mediocre at best for his last five. Why couldn't any of that time have been spent on players who are actively playing today and should be symbols of the game today, like Harper, Trout, MadBum, Kershaw, Abreu, even young Yankees like Sanchez?

    And then I go back to Rob Manfred complaining about pace-of-game stuff that literally mean mere minutes, saying it harms MLB's image, and it reminds me of what one player told Dick Ravitch -- then MLB's labor chief -- during an initial meeting of the MLBPA and MLB regarding a potential re-opening of the 1990 CBA back in 1992. Ravitch pled poverty on the part of the owners (who were in the middle of the mother of all fights regarding revenue sharing, and the union knew it), but was using slides that showed some teams were simply spending more than others. That player stood up and said, "Dick, instead of squeezing us for money, why don't you just market the game better?"

    Edit 2: Baseball is still too busy jacking off into its own mouth about Ruth and Mantle and Mays and Aaron that it's missed the forest for the trees. Bart Giamatti was chided by owners because he would occasionally sit in dugouts and sit in fucking awe of some of the players as they'd tell him stories. Fay Vincent was obsessed with history and the commissioner's place in the game, and it resulted in bullshit like him trying to get Steve Howe, Gene Michael, Buck Showalter and Jack Lawn railroaded from baseball. The past is perfectly fine to cherish, but it should not be favored for the present and future.
     
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  14. Use of Time

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    It's all good. Meh, it was a Yankees game featuring one of the most popular players in the last two decades. You aren't wrong that his legend wouldn't have the same horsepower if he spent about twenty years in Arizona but there is the human element apart from the stats that I think you sometimes ignore. I also agree that baseball is the one sport that remains too entrenched in the past. But spending a random game in May honoring an icon of the sport that isn't that far removed from his playing days is pretty harmless. It's not like because they spent a night on Jeter they are forced into ignoring current stars the rest of the season. Still about 140 games left and these guys will get their moments.
     
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  15. Timby

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    It's symptomatic of a much larger problem, though, and one that's been going on for a long time -- MLB flat-out sucks at promoting the game as it exists today, and it has for decades.

    Back in 1990, when the annual Q Score polling was done, kids said they knew who Babe Ruth, Willie Mays and Ted Williams were, but they were able to name precisely one active player: Bo Jackson (and he was a two-sport player).

    Edit: The Mets have shut down David Wright's rehab program. At this point, I doubt he ever plays in a meaningful game again. :(
     
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  16. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Anyone know what happened to Tommy Lasorda? I heard he was in the hospital...
     
  17. Ar-Pharazon

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    Aside from being 89, there's no information out there. Hope he gets well.
     
  18. Timby

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    Yeah, at his age they'll admit you to the hospital even if you have a bit of a cough just because of the risk of pneumonia.
     
  19. Timby

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    Fun stat time!

    All time career WHIP leaderboard:

    1 - Addie Joss, deadballer who died of tuberculosis at age 31
    2 - Clayton Fucking Kershaw
    3 - Ed Walsh, deadballer & owner of career ERA and FIP records
    4 - Mariano Rivera, greatest reliever ever
     
  20. Ar-Pharazon

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    Apparently, Tommy LaSorda had his pacemaker replaced.

    Damn those 200,000 mile check-ups.