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Misogyny and Racism in STU

thewanderingjack

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While some describe STU Earth culture and society as a "liberal"/"leftist" eutopia (*imaginary* ideal place), it is in fact rampant with all manner of evidence of all manner of shortcomings, failures, and hypocrisies which beie that.

The level of misogyny and racism being two such major examples.

While obviously the writing suffers from the bias of the writers, as well as all manner of input from producers, directors, etc, what ends up on screen is what it is.

So, what are the most mysogynistic or racist things you can call up from STU?
 
Turnabout Intruder, THE ENTIRE EPISODE. Though that will be my last TOS example, fishes and barrels and all.

Prophet and Lace, what holy hell was that

Sisko's superiority towards Ferengi whom he clearly viewed as lesser beings.

Men NOT getting to wear skants other than as background novelties in I think 2 episodes and possibly a movie. I mean what the hell, you've got Troi in full cleavage gym wear, catsuits for T'Pol and 7 and yet the skant is still unseen.

Okay I found an article I remembered, this person applied the Bechdel test to every single episode of pre-Dsc Star Trek, it's fascinating and comes with graphs! As expected VOY was an overwhelming success, there were simply more women mains on VOY.

Warning: if you scroll past this article you will see potential spoilers for PIcard from a couple eps ago

https://www.themarysue.com/star-trek-bechdel-test/


For those that don't know the Bechdel test is simple:


  • There must be at least two (named) women characters;
  • Who talk to each other;
  • About something other than a man.


You'd think with all the technobabble on Trek this was an easy thing for every episode to pass but.. that is not the case.
 
That mother creature in TNG "Conspiracy" was taken out by the racist humans without a second thought. :weep:

Look at that look of disgust on his face:
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Hi @thewanderingjack . I know there is a bit of history behind your posting this thread in this forum. This is a perfectly fine topic for discussion on this board, but since you have framed it specifically around Star Trek, then Miscellaneous isn't really the place for it. As was explained in your QSF thread, discussions around racism in Star Trek are perfectly valid in General Trek Discussion. The issue there originally was just that some of the posts had veered into discussing real-world racism (and I don't even believe they were your posts that were doing this?), which is off-topic for a Star Trek forum, and so the mod suggested that part of the thread be picked up in another forum.

Since this thread is centred around Star Trek, and Miscellaneous is for non-Trek discussions, I am going to move the thread to GTD. Please note, if you wish to discuss real-world racism, then Miscellaneous is absolutely a valid location for that, with the other option of course being TNZ.
 
Star Trek is progressive, but it's still an entertainment franchise aimed at a wide yet still specific audience. There are aspects of Trek that will and do rub even the most devoted fans the wrong way. It happens. You can't please everyone. Trek isn't perfect, and it never will be because it isn't made by perfect people. And if Trek tries to be more like this to please this group, then it'll only piss off that group. There's always going to be someone who finds something wrong.

Times like this, though, I quote the great Otis Redding:
"I can't do what ten people tell me to do..."
 
I think "Star Trek is progressive" is the crux of the matter here. That's its legacy, that's how it likes to see itself and how it likes to be seen. And it definitely is at times, but at others... not so much. Or even both at the same time. And if one takes this seriously, I think it needs to be scrutinised how progressive it really is, because there's a lot to unpack here.

And just to be clear, this is (in my opinion) not about condemning Star Trek as a whole, but to observe critically where it succeeds and where it fails, and how it should do better in present and future. Trek can still be enjoyed without turning a blind eye to its issues.

If one is serious about being anti-racist (as Trek often wants to be), one can't stop at the surface level. There's a danger in just labelling something as "progressive" and be done with it. It's easy to call out something as racist when it's flying the Confederate flag. But when racist ideas (conscious or not) are perpetuated under the banner of progressivism, people quickly turn a blind eye, thinking all is fine because hey we're progressive. This complacency can actually normalise the racism that it thinks it has overcome.

Racism isn't just burning crosses. It's also subtle and not so subtle tropes, stereotypes, preconceptions that aren't even recognised as such, and are widely accepted as normal because it's what we're continually being fed by society and by the media we consume--and Star Trek is no exception. They may seem "harmless" or "inoffensive" to many, but the "normality" of it has real world consequences for the people in question.

If one says "Bah I don't care", sure, you do you. But Star Trek does not say that. It set out to be boldly anti-racist in the time of the Civil Rights Movement, and consciously averted racial stereotyping in characters like Uhura, Sulu and Daystrom. Kirk explicitly tells Space Lincoln that they fixed racism. At the same time, you get brownfaced and bronzefaced Klingons, variations on the Yellow Peril, and many more not-so-progressive racial stereotypes.

They made conscious decisions in giving the role of the leader to look up to to a Black person in DS9 and to a woman in VOY, and it's frequently pointed out how bold and progressive that was. And while that's great and commendable, that doesn't mean one should blindly accept the things that are very much not so great. Quite the contrary, I think this image of a "beacon of progress" means it should be scrutinised more, not less. And again, with scrutiny I mean examining the bad without dismissing the good.

I think the honest examination of these issues does much more than just discuss Star Trek. It's also a conversation about matters of both overt and underlying issues of racism, sexism, homophobia etc. in media, society, liberal politics and so on. And about taking a closer look at your own skeletons in the closet even if you think you're progressive. Star Trek is very interesting in itself, but also a great model case for examining these things in general.
 
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There's a moment in TOS where a robot scans the crews brains, and is all like "what's with this crazy mixed up one?". The response is something like, "oh that's just a woman..."

Someone on reddit recently pointed out that despite being a bridge officer, Uhura never gives an order to a white man (or any man, or any white person?) throughout the entirety of TOS, not sure about the movies.
 
Someone on reddit recently pointed out that despite being a bridge officer, Uhura never gives an order to a white man (or any man, or any white person?) throughout the entirety of TOS, not sure about the movies.
Uhura asks a crewman to fix her door in the very first aired episode that she was in. It may not be a heavy command decision or anything and she frames it as a polite question, but she does give a white man a job to do that he is required to perform.
 
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