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Michael Burnham and Pon Farr...

BillJ

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Michael Burnham is a full human, but I wonder how spending her adolescent years with Vulcans affected things like her sex drive? We know that Pon Farr can affect non-Vulcans as we saw in the episode "Blood Fever" from Voyager.

Her relationship with Voq was roughly seven years after she left Vulcan, maybe the Vulcan views on sex and mating colored her judgement on a subconscious level?

And I can't believe these writers wouldn't go to that well based on their track record so far.
 
Oh if I'm remembering right, wasn't Belanna's pon farr because of a mind meld? I also don't remember pon farr ever being specifically about sex drive, but really it's more of a hormonal biological thing, I don't see how just living with Vulcans for a long time would change your biology? She might've been affected by some of her attitudes, but if I remember right Vulcans are pretty big about arranged marriages, and casually getting together with Ash would suggest she's not really too concerned about that.

I mean, I feel sort of what you're suggesting would be equivalent to a man growing up around women and somehow developing a menstruation cycle ...
 
Michael Burnham is a full human, but I wonder how spending her adolescent years with Vulcans affected things like her sex drive? We know that Pon Farr can affect non-Vulcans as we saw in the episode "Blood Fever" from Voyager.

Her relationship with Voq was roughly seven years after she left Vulcan, maybe the Vulcan views on sex and mating colored her judgement on a subconscious level?

And I can't believe these writers wouldn't go to that well based on their track record so far.

It doesn't happen to anyone but Vulcans and even then, not the women until Enterprise.
 
It doesn't happen to anyone but Vulcans and even then, not the women until Enterprise.

Exactly. Which goes to show it can change at any time on a writer's whim.

And the first example of a Vulcan woman going through Pon Farr, that I remember, is actually Doctor Selar in Peter David's New Frontier novels.
 
Exactly. Which goes to show it can change at any time on a writer's whim.

And the first example of a Vulcan woman going through Pon Farr, that I remember, is actually Doctor Selar in Peter David's New Frontier novels.

Well I do enjoy you having a go at thinking up new ideas of your own after attacking the Discovery writers for so long. Just a pity it had to immediately turn to Vulcan Love Slave territory. :p
 
Well I do enjoy you having a go at thinking up new ideas of your own after attacking the Discovery writers for so long.

I've had other ideas. :p

Just a pity it had to immediately turn to Vulcan Love Slave territory.

Handled right, it wouldn't be Vulcan Love Slave. It could be an interesting study of how growing up in a varied environment can affect who we are. Unfortunately, with these writers...
 
I'd like to think the future is so advanced the only thing she has to worry about every seven years is changing out her smoke detector batteries (they last longer in the future)
 
Disco gave the impression Tyler/Voq was her first love and maybe her first experience with sex too. Going from Victorian planet Vulcan to the USS Shenzhou (seemingly no Starfleet Academy?) to prison for six months and then the Discovery doesn't exactly leave much room for a colourful sex life. Shenzhou is the most likely bet for a pre-Tyler someone to come and go.

Excepting Search For Spock, Vulcans don't Pon Farr until they're in their 30's, so if she is gonna start a la "Blood Fever", there's a little time yet.
 
(seemingly no Starfleet Academy?)
Yeah, but I was getting the impression they were suggesting her Vulcan Science Academy training was a comparable qualification to attending the Starfleet Academy (or at least partly transferable with the proper field training). Starfleet probably isn't as stringent as Vulcan Expeditionary Force.
 
Some individuals experience more problems than others with pon farr....

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It doesn't happen to anyone but Vulcans and even then, not the women until Enterprise.
No, it happened to Vulcan Women:
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/34.htm
SPOCK: By our parents' arrangement. A ceremony while we were but seven years of age. Less than a marriage but more than a betrothal. One touches the other in order to feel each other's thoughts. In this way our minds were locked together, so that at the proper time, we would both be drawn to Koon-ut-kal-if-fee.

Spock just related what happened to Vulcan males at this time (since he was half of one). :)
 
Yeah I don’t think any of the dialogue in TOS says only males experience it.

However, Saavik in ST3 says:

SAAVIK: Pon farr. Vulcan males must endure it every seven years of their adult life.

Mind you she didn’t say ‘Only Vulcan males’

Also when B’lannna went through the symptoms, Vorrik didn’t say it was odd because she was female, he said it was odd because she wasn’t Vulcan.
 
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Oh if I'm remembering right, wasn't Belanna's pon farr because of a mind meld?

It seemed to be male pon farr that rubbed off the overeager Vorik in haphazard touch-telepathy contact. And probably she got just the inconvenient bits of it, rather than the whole deal.

I also don't remember pon farr ever being specifically about sex drive

It was originally about "mating", as the chaste 1960s phrasing went - but the episodes then seemed to emphasize the "finding of mate" interpretation of that word, rather than the "copulate madly" bit. And the more recent bits of evidence don't really bother to contradict that.

No victim of pon farr has ever found relief in lots of sex (even when holodeck attempts at that are suggested in Tuvok's case at least). But nobody has died out of lack of success in murdering, either.

I don't see how just living with Vulcans for a long time would change your biology?

But Spock says it's the price the Vulcan (male)s have to pay for their logic-religion, which isn't biology. And the logic-religion could certainly affect aliens living among Vulcans - through telepathy if not otherwise.

She might've been affected by some of her attitudes, but if I remember right Vulcans are pretty big about arranged marriages, and casually getting together with Ash would suggest she's not really too concerned about that.

Sarek didn't seem to pay much heed to tradition, though. Marrying out of your species might be the thing that Burnham contracted from her foster family first and foremost, even if she didn't quite realize this was what was drawing her towards Ash.

I mean, I feel sort of what you're suggesting would be equivalent to a man growing up around women and somehow developing a menstruation cycle ...

Well, wouldn't he? I mean, insofar as bouts of irrational anger etc. every 27 days or so are concerned.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Michael didn't know in any way Ash was a Klingon, and I don't feel at all her romance with him needs any further motives, I felt their attraction made a lot of sense and in my mind was one of the better romances in Star Trek, oh dear but anyways I don't want to go into that again, just wanted to mention his being a secret Klingon would've had like nothing to do with it! :)

Well, wouldn't he? I mean, insofar as bouts of irrational anger etc. every 27 days or so are concerned.
Wow, oh dear, no, like this isn't at all what menstrual cycles are about ...

He's not going to experience hormonal changes from releasing an egg and shedding his uterine lining, it's just totally not going to happen no matter how much time he spends among women.
 
He's not going to experience hormonal changes from releasing an egg and shedding his uterine lining, it's just totally not going to happen no matter how much time he spends among women.

But Pon Farr isn't caused by something physical in the body. It is caused by the repression of their emotions, it manifests itself physically.

I've never heard of a Romulan going through anything similar.
 
But Pon Farr isn't caused by something physical in the body. It is caused by the repression of their emotions, it manifests itself physically.

I've never heard of a Romulan going through anything similar.
Then again, they could. I think it has biological basis, it is merely that the emotional repression accentuates the effect.
 
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