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Megascale engineering in the Trekverse

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This sunny afternoon, I enjoyed a brief coffee while I revisited astronomer Martin Beech's Rejuvenating the Sun and Avoiding Other Global Catastrophes.

I was very impressed with the book's scope back when I first read it back in 2010, and I remain impressed. For Beech, the idea that an advanced civilization like ours could let its worlds succumb, if not to strictly planetary catastrophes then to the steady evolution of our stars off of the main sequence, is intolerable. The book is all about the sorts of megascale engineering that could remedy this existential plight. The idea of terraforming Venus and Mars appeals to him, but as only the first step of several. Terraforming Uranus into a water world, perhaps with a supramundane layer added, when Sol moves into its red giant phase and pushes its habitable zone beyond Saturn a few billions years from now is another one. Moving planets to more suitable orbits is more ambitious still, while Beech gives considerable thought as to how stars could be radically engineered to husband as much of their hydrogen fuel as possible for as long as possible. (Beech's vision of most of our sun's mass beyond vacuumed off to form a Klemperer rosette of red dwarf stars orbiting a smaller stabler sun a thousand or so AUs off is intoxicating.) Plausible? Maybe after who knows how much technological development, sure. Fun? Hell yes.

What sort of megascale engineering exists in the Trekverse? I'd argue that the sheer number of class-M planets orbiting nearby stars is suggestive of some ancient civilization's activity, at least in the area of the Federation core. Glancing at Sol Station's shortlist of nearby stars, almost all of the Sol-like stars do support class-M worlds: 40 Eridani, Procyon, Epsilon Indi, Epsilon Eridani, Sigma Draconis, Tau Ceti, one of the two stars in 61 Cygni and Eta Cassiopeiae, and both of the Sun-like stars in Alpha Centauri, in addition to Sol. (Sigma Draconis even has multiple class-M worlds.) Other non-sun-like stars also seem to host class-M planets. Going by what we know of planetary formation and life, such a high frequency of Earth-like worlds is unexpected. Some of these worlds shouldn't even exist: Vulcan orbiting 40 Eridani A and Andor ultimately orbiting Procyon A should have been baked when their white-dwarf companion stars passed from the red giant phase and shed half their mass into nearby space, for instance. Some Preserves save cultures, or species; why mightn't others preserve planets?

Thoughts? What examples of megascale engineering have featured in the Trekverse, whether explicitly or by implication? Christopher's The Buried Age postulated an advanced civilization that had made vast constructs throughout the area of the Local Group. Are there others?
 
What sort of megascale engineering exists in the Trekverse? I'd argue that the sheer number of class-M planets orbiting nearby stars is suggestive of some ancient civilization's activity, at least in the area of the Federation core. Glancing at Sol Station's shortlist of nearby stars, almost all of the Sol-like stars do support class-M worlds: 40 Eridani, Procyon, Epsilon Indi, Epsilon Eridani, Sigma Draconis, Tau Ceti, one of the two stars in 61 Cygni and Eta Cassiopeiae, and both of the Sun-like stars in Alpha Centauri, in addition to Sol. (Sigma Draconis even has multiple class-M worlds.) Other non-sun-like stars also seem to host class-M planets. Going by what we know of planetary formation and life, such a high frequency of Earth-like worlds is unexpected.

No, it would've been unexpected going by what we knew/believed five or ten years ago, when the "Rare Earth" hypothesis was in vogue, but recent planet searches have turned up so many exoplanets that we now realize habitable worlds may be extremely common.

However, habitable worlds around short-lived supergiant stars like Rigel and Antares and Deneb is pretty dang ridiculous, and I have justified it in a couple of Trek novels as the result of terraforming by some ancient race, probably Sargon's people.


Some of these worlds shouldn't even exist: Vulcan orbiting 40 Eridani A and Andor ultimately orbiting Procyon A should have been baked when their white-dwarf companion stars passed from the red giant phase and shed half their mass into nearby space, for instance.

That's not entirely true, since there's an average separation of over 400 AU between 40 Eri A and B. (By comparison, that's over 10 times Pluto's distance from Sol.) The swelling of the B star into a red giant would've fried any planets around it, but planets around the A star would've been less affected. I checked both Wikipedia and Solstation, and neither of them rules out a habitable planet around 40 Eri A.

Procyon, however, is a bad candidate for habitable planets for multiple reasons. Procyon A is a big, hot star that's less than 2 billion years old and may already be evolving off the main sequence, so it's too young to have naturally evolved multicellular life. And the proximity of the white dwarf Procyon B might disrupt the orbit of a planet in A's habitable zone. I'm reluctant to accept Star Charts's choice of Procyon for Andor's primary.


Thoughts? What examples of megascale engineering have featured in the Trekverse, whether explicitly or by implication? Christopher's The Buried Age postulated an advanced civilization that had made vast constructs throughout the area of the Local Group. Are there others?

Of course there's the Dyson Sphere from "Relics."
 
What sort of megascale engineering exists in the Trekverse? I'd argue that the sheer number of class-M planets orbiting nearby stars is suggestive of some ancient civilization's activity, at least in the area of the Federation core. Glancing at Sol Station's shortlist of nearby stars, almost all of the Sol-like stars do support class-M worlds: 40 Eridani, Procyon, Epsilon Indi, Epsilon Eridani, Sigma Draconis, Tau Ceti, one of the two stars in 61 Cygni and Eta Cassiopeiae, and both of the Sun-like stars in Alpha Centauri, in addition to Sol. (Sigma Draconis even has multiple class-M worlds.) Other non-sun-like stars also seem to host class-M planets. Going by what we know of planetary formation and life, such a high frequency of Earth-like worlds is unexpected.

No, it would've been unexpected going by what we knew/believed five or ten years ago, when the "Rare Earth" hypothesis was in vogue, but recent planet searches have turned up so many exoplanets that we now realize habitable worlds may be extremely common.

Earth-like planets may be more common than previously thought, but the frequency with which they occur in the Trekverse seems to be substantially higher than expected John Rehling's summary of the Kepler data suggests that, based on the distribution of the planets found so far, at most one-tenth of stars may host potentially Earth-like planets by the broadest definition.

Taking a quick glance at the Sol Station list again, all seven of the yellow stars within 20 light-years of Sol (including Sol itself) host class-M worlds, as do at least five of the 15 orange dwarfs within the same distance, including four of the five closest (Centauri VII around Alpha Centauri B, Axanar around Epsilon Eridani, Tellar around either 61 Cygni A or B, and Draylax around Epsilon Indi). Procyon seems to support a broadly class-M moon, while even Vega and Altair have colonizable planets.

That frequency of class-M planets is consistent with every star that's stable enough to support planets at all hosting at least one class-M planet. That's hugely in excess of the predicted rates.

However, habitable worlds around short-lived supergiant stars like Rigel and Antares and Deneb is pretty dang ridiculous, and I have justified it in a couple of Trek novels as the result of terraforming by some ancient race, probably Sargon's people.

Ex Machina, right? I also recall you suggesting that the Deltan civilization's presence on a world orbiting a young flare star can be explained by the Deltans not being native to said world.

Some of these worlds shouldn't even exist: Vulcan orbiting 40 Eridani A and Andor ultimately orbiting Procyon A should have been baked when their white-dwarf companion stars passed from the red giant phase and shed half their mass into nearby space, for instance.
That's not entirely true, since there's an average separation of over 400 AU between 40 Eri A and B. (By comparison, that's over 10 times Pluto's distance from Sol.) The swelling of the B star into a red giant would've fried any planets around it, but planets around the A star would've been less affected. I checked both Wikipedia and Solstation, and neither of them rules out a habitable planet around 40 Eri A.

Would 400 AU be enough to protect a class-M world against a half solar mass or so of superheated plasma being shed over tens of thousands of years. Mira B is one hundred AU from its primary, and it's apparently accumulating enough plasma to accrete a protoplanetary disk. Inverse-square rule and all, I know, but is that enough?

(Then again, Vulcan is a desert world ...)

Procyon, however, is a bad candidate for habitable planets for multiple reasons. Procyon A is a big, hot star that's less than 2 billion years old and may already be evolving off the main sequence, so it's too young to have naturally evolved multicellular life. And the proximity of the white dwarf Procyon B might disrupt the orbit of a planet in A's habitable zone. I'm reluctant to accept Star Charts's choice of Procyon for Andor's primary.

A world in Procyon A's life zone could exist if it had a retrograde orbit; apparently retrograde orbits enjoy a larger Hill radius than the other kind. To me, some sort of terraforming and maybe even colonization of a potentially promising Earth-sized gas-giant moon later named Andoria makes most sense.

Thoughts? What examples of megascale engineering have featured in the Trekverse, whether explicitly or by implication? Christopher's The Buried Age postulated an advanced civilization that had made vast constructs throughout the area of the Local Group. Are there others?
Of course there's the Dyson Sphere from "Relics."[/QUOTE]

There's also the time-continuum place you developed in your first DTI novel.
 
Earth-like planets may be more common than previously thought, but the frequency with which they occur in the Trekverse seems to be substantially higher than expected John Rehling's summary of the Kepler data suggests that, based on the distribution of the planets found so far, at most one-tenth of stars may host potentially Earth-like planets by the broadest definition.

Taking a quick glance at the Sol Station list again, all seven of the yellow stars within 20 light-years of Sol (including Sol itself) host class-M worlds, as do at least five of the 15 orange dwarfs within the same distance, including four of the five closest (Centauri VII around Alpha Centauri B, Axanar around Epsilon Eridani, Tellar around either 61 Cygni A or B, and Draylax around Epsilon Indi). Procyon seems to support a broadly class-M moon, while even Vega and Altair have colonizable planets.

That frequency of class-M planets is consistent with every star that's stable enough to support planets at all hosting at least one class-M planet. That's hugely in excess of the predicted rates.

Well, keep in mind that the predicted rates as of 2012 are a lot higher than the predicted rates as of 2002, say. Our knowledge on this subject is still incomplete and evolving. Our best models now may be obsolete ten years from now. On top of which, we know the Trek universe has some differences from ours in its physical and biological laws, so the model that fits our universe may not fit that one.

That said, given the known fact that aliens and warp drive exist in the Trek universe, it would be fairly probable that colonization and terraforming in the distant past would have made the number of inhabited planets in the galaxy considerably higher than it would be without sentient intervention.


Ex Machina, right? I also recall you suggesting that the Deltan civilization's presence on a world orbiting a young flare star can be explained by the Deltans not being native to said world.

Also in The Buried Age I alluded to the presence of transuranic elements or exotic compounds like dilithium as mineral deposits in various planets as evidence that those planets were artificially created by some ancient civilization (implicitly the Manraloth, though perhaps others as well).


Would 400 AU be enough to protect a class-M world against a half solar mass or so of superheated plasma being shed over tens of thousands of years. Mira B is one hundred AU from its primary, and it's apparently accumulating enough plasma to accrete a protoplanetary disk. Inverse-square rule and all, I know, but is that enough?

Depends on how you define "enough." It would've been pretty rough for any indigenous life there at the time, but it's been 100 million years since 40 Eri B left the main sequence, which is plenty of time for a biosphere to recover from an extinction-level event.
 
I believe in Greg Cox's Q Continuum trilogy the T'kon had engineered a device (or two, sort of) that would simultaneously transport two different suns between two different locations.

The Millenium trilogy has the Phoenix, which may be a bit smaller in scale but probably constituted an engineering marvel.
 
I believe in Greg Cox's Q Continuum trilogy the T'kon had engineered a device (or two, sort of) that would simultaneously transport two different suns between two different locations.

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E.E. "Doc' Smith did that on a galactic scale in "Skylark: Duquesne".
 
The crew of the Sagittarius discovers the remnants of a Dyson cloud in Storming Heaven. The Caeliar built Dyson shells around worlds and stars in the Destiny trilogy. Starfleet experimented with stellar reignition technology in Wildfire. (These are just off the top of my head, obviously.)
 
Although nothing compared to a Dyson Sphere (see also "The Starless World" for Trek's first, and "Double or Nothing" for an apparently much smaller one), I'd say that Trek's mushroom spacedocks and the STXI's Starbase 1 (see "The Art of the Movie" for a good look inside the central sphere) count as insane feats of "mortal scale" oversized engineering.

FASA postulated an ancient super race long ago rearranging the Rigel system, which apparently wouldn't otherwise support it's 12 worlds (many of which are inhabitable)
 
...I'd say that Trek's mushroom spacedocks and the STXI's Starbase 1 (see "The Art of the Movie" for a good look inside the central sphere) count as insane feats of "mortal scale" oversized engineering.

Not really. The ST III Spacedock is only about 5 kilometers high, which is much smaller than a typical "Island Three" O'Neill cylinder space habitat would be (c. 30 km long and 6 wide, give or take). And Starbase 1 looks substantially smaller.
 
...I'd say that Trek's mushroom spacedocks and the STXI's Starbase 1 (see "The Art of the Movie" for a good look inside the central sphere) count as insane feats of "mortal scale" oversized engineering.

Not really. The ST III Spacedock is only about 5 kilometers high, which is much smaller than a typical "Island Three" O'Neill cylinder space habitat would be (c. 30 km long and 6 wide, give or take). And Starbase 1 looks substantially smaller.

Come to think of it, the Federation did engage in megascale engineering with the Genesis Project, using technology ultimately copied from the Shedai.
 
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