Medical supplies

[Timofnine]

“The medical supplies that you are about to steal are the property of the Fenris Ranger’s…. If you leave now![\b]”

This scene is making me feel a slight sense of unease. It is 18 minutes 13 seconds in to ‘The Star Gazer’.

The scene suggests/eludes that Seven of Nine (one of my childhood hero’s ) is transporting medical supplies that she has taken posession of (“these medical supplies are the property of the Fenris Rangers”), and her ship is being raided by pirates who wish to obtain the loot. Seven proceeds to actively confront these ‘assumed’ pirates, actively fighting against them (if they leave, dead or alive, the medical supplies are still the property of the Fenris Rangers).

I had a weird thought that maybe Seven of Nine was stealing the medical supplies, and the pirates attacking were actually trying to recover their lost ‘loot’ which actually belonged to them?

This made me think even deeper about the situation… Seven killed/slaughtered the people trying to recover the stolen medical supplies, who potentially were the rightful owners.

Has the Seven of Nine that I loved so dearly in my youth gone destructively/morally rogue?

I don’t mean to nit pick but this scene is really bothering me…

 

[Tuskin38]

Seven killed/slaughtered the people trying to recover the stolen medical supplies, who potentially were the rightful owners.

She didn't kill anyone in this episode though, you see Emmet tying them up at the end. Why would they tie up people who are dead?

She was taking these medical supplies to people that needed them, the pirates were trying to steal them from her. Plus the way they talk, act and look feel very stereotypical space pirate.

She even says that to Rios (and I'm pretty sure it's brought up in Season 1). The Fenris Rangers are out there helping the helpless.

There's nothing in either season so far that even implies she's the one doing the stealing.

“The medical supplies that you are about to steal are the property of the Fenris Ranger’s…. If you leave now!”

I rewatched that scene, she never finished the sentence, she was interrupted at the end there. It's in the delivery and what happened in the scene. She was probably going to say something 'I'll let you go'

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

She didn't kill anyone in this episode though, you see Emmet tying them up at the end. Why would they tie up people who are dead?

So they won't struggle as they're beamed into space?

 

[Avro Arrow]

I rewatched that scene, she never finished the sentence, she was interrupted at the end there. It's in the delivery and what happened in the scene. She was probably going to say something 'I'll let you go'

That's how I interpreted it, too. She was offering them a way out without risking any more lives. "If you leave now, I'll forget this ever happened" or something.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Seven doesn't strike me as somebody who would just let people go if they tried to steal from her.

I honestly wasn't surprised to see that she was (apparently) spacing the pirates. Now THAT I'd expect.

Not only is it in character for Seven, but what else was she supposed to do? La Sirena doesn't have a brig, does it?

 

[fireproof78]

“The medical supplies that you are about to steal are the property of the Fenris Ranger’s…. If you leave now![\b]”

This scene is making me feel a slight sense of unease. It is 18 minutes 13 seconds in to ‘The Star Gazer’.

The scene suggests/eludes that Seven of Nine (one of my childhood hero’s ) is transporting medical supplies that she has taken posession of (“these medical supplies are the property of the Fenris Rangers”), and her ship is being raided by pirates who wish to obtain the loot. Seven proceeds to actively confront these ‘assumed’ pirates, actively fighting against them (if they leave, dead or alive, the medical supplies are still the property of the Fenris Rangers).

I had a weird thought that maybe Seven of Nine was stealing the medical supplies, and the pirates attacking were actually trying to recover their lost ‘loot’ which actually belonged to them?

This made me think even deeper about the situation… Seven killed/slaughtered the people trying to recover the stolen medical supplies, who potentially were the rightful owners.

Has the Seven of Nine that I loved so dearly in my youth gone destructively/morally rogue?

I don’t mean to nit pick but this scene is really bothering me…

There is also a lot of assumptions in there. One, why would Seven steal supplies? She clearly has a road in to Starfleet with her contact with Rios so such things would not require a "rob from the rich" mentality, even as before.

Number two, Seven always demonstrated a pragmatic side in addition to her moral compass. She is more than willing to loose 8472 on the Hirogen, or circumvent protocols to get the job done.

 

[Tuskin38]

So they won't struggle as they're beamed into space?

They appeared to be unconscious. There's no evidence she spaced them.

Not only is it in character for Seven, but what else was she supposed to do? La Sirena doesn't have a brig, does it?

She probably just beamed them back from wherever they came from.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Or at least beamed them down to the planet they were near, then maybe sent a real slow message to their people letting them know where to pick them up.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

They appeared to be unconscious.

So they don't know the fate that awaits them...

There's no evidence she spaced them.

No evidence she didn't, either.

 

[dupersuper]

So they won't struggle as they're beamed into space?

Why would that matter? If they bothered tying them up then they're clearly beaming them somewhere.

 

[Timofnine]

There is also a lot of assumptions in there. One, why would Seven steal supplies? She clearly has a road in to Starfleet with her contact with Rios so such things would not require a "rob from the rich" mentality, even as before.

Number two, Seven always demonstrated a pragmatic side in addition to her moral compass. She is more than willing to loose 8472 on the Hirogen, or circumvent protocols to get the job done.

The scene is totally out of context so I have no idea why Seven was stealing supplies. That is a plot hole for the writers to fill in not me!

I do know how Seven talks and her speech patterns and delivery of sentences are very familiar to me from watching each Voyager episode many, many times over the years. Her character has always been very dear to me hence my username.

If the writers are writing her true to character, I personally believe she did steal the supplies. She is a kind of pirate now after all anyway?

 

[Llywela]

Seven wasn't stealing supplies. She was transporting supplies owned (purchased by or donated to) the Fenris Rangers. The pirates who attacked her ship were trying to steal them. And the context for her shipment was made clear by the backstory of the Fenris Rangers seen through season one - they provide protection and support for far-flung colonies who have no other recourse.

How is theft true to Seven's character? Nothing in either her character or the context of the scene implies that she stole anything. She was protecting supplies belonging to her organisation.

 

[Tuskin38]

She is a kind of pirate now after all anyway?

Neither last season or this season have ever implied she’s a pirate.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Fenris_Rangers

The Rangers were the ones who helped install Vashti’s defence system. The planet Elnor came from.

They help the weak against actual pirates and other strongmen praying on the weak.

 

[fireproof78]

the writers are writing her true to character, I personally believe she did steal the supplies. She is a kind of pirate now after all anyway?

She is not. Context is key here, both this episode and last season. The Rangers are to provide support to the less fortunate outside Federation territory.

 

[Timofnine]

Seven wasn't stealing supplies. She was transporting supplies owned (purchased by or donated to) the Fenris Rangers.

Please can you quote what in the script has led you to this conclusion? If it isn’t mentioned on screen, it is not canon…. My theory about seven having stolen the cargo is not canon, I honestly don’t know either way.

The pirates who attacked her ship were trying to steal them. And the context for her shipment was made clear by the backstory of the Fenris Rangers seen through season one - they provide protection and support for far-flung colonies who have no other recourse.

Or were they trying to ‘steal’ the medical supplies back?

How is theft true to Seven's character? Nothing in either her character or the context of the scene implies that she stole anything. She was protecting supplies belonging to her organisation.

It is not true to Seven of Nine’s character… unless something happened off screen that we are not aware of. For example, maybe she stole the medical supplies off the bad guys? There is precedent for this, for example when her and Janeway stole the Transwarp drive off the Borg scout ship in Dark Frontier.

Again, my only ‘evidence’ that Seven stole the supplies herself is in her delivery of the lines spoken during the scene. I am very familiar with her speech patterns and it is almost like she is warning the attackers not to steal the medical supplies back off her now that she has them…

I’m probably totally wrong, but it’s fun to speculate!

Like I said, the scene had no ‘canon’ context as we don’t see the full story play out on screen.

Maybe it can be addressed in a spin off book or graphic novel?

 

[Llywela]

Please can you quote what in the script has led you to this conclusion? If it isn’t mentioned on screen, it is not canon…. My theory about seven having stolen the cargo is not canon, I honestly don’t know either way.

She says, right there on screen, "The medical supplies you are attempting to steal are the property of the Fenris Rangers." (Emphasis mine). Property. Owned. The only people stealing anything (or trying to) are the pirates who attacked her ship. It's a simple enough scene, designed to bring us up to date on where Seven is now, on what her life with the Rangers is like, and there really is no need to make it any more complex than that. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, chances are it's just a duck. I'm also familiar with Seven's speech patterns. Her delivery in that scene was warning the attacking pirates not to steal her stuff, simple as that. The dialogue would have been scripted differently if she had stolen the supplies and the pirates were attempting to reclaim their own stolen property (they had dialogue, they could have used it to make that point, if it were true, instead of just insulting her).

The canon context for the scene is everything we learned last season about the Fenris Rangers and Seven's role with them. The Fenris Rangers are the good guys, that much has always been made crystal clear from the moment they were first mentioned.

 

[Tuskin38]

I am very familiar with her speech patterns

Which have changed between Voyager and now. It has been a good 20+ years.

Also what Llywela said. We have context on what the Rangers do based on dialogue last season and this season.

 

[Timofnine]

I’ve watched the episode 5 times, I’ll watch again tonight and see if my opinion of the scene changes.

 

[The Old Mixer]

This is all based on a misunderstanding of Seven's lines.

Seven: The medical supplies you're attempting to steal are the property of the Fenris Rangers. If you leave now...​

That's how I heard it, and how it's punctuated in the subtitles. The second sentence is interrupted by her being fired at.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

“The medical supplies that you are about to steal are the property of the Fenris Ranger’s…. If you leave now![\b]”

This scene is making me feel a slight sense of unease. It is 18 minutes 13 seconds in to ‘The Star Gazer’.

The scene suggests/eludes that Seven of Nine (one of my childhood hero’s ) is transporting medical supplies that she has taken posession of (“these medical supplies are the property of the Fenris Rangers”), and her ship is being raided by pirates who wish to obtain the loot. Seven proceeds to actively confront these ‘assumed’ pirates, actively fighting against them (if they leave, dead or alive, the medical supplies are still the property of the Fenris Rangers).

I had a weird thought that maybe Seven of Nine was stealing the medical supplies, and the pirates attacking were actually trying to recover their lost ‘loot’ which actually belonged to them?

This made me think even deeper about the situation… Seven killed/slaughtered the people trying to recover the stolen medical supplies, who potentially were the rightful owners.

Has the Seven of Nine that I loved so dearly in my youth gone destructively/morally rogue?

I don’t mean to nit pick but this scene is really bothering me…

You are basically making stuff up and then getting upset about it.
Nothing says she robbed the supplies or killed the pirates