Matt Jefferies TOS and Phase II Sketches

[Maurice]

I'm sure many have seen this site before, but I thought some of the Jefferies sketches there were particularly interesting.

"Trouble With Tribbles" Space Station Ideas

Something from Phase II. Note the 6/77 date.

 

[Doug Otte]

Thanks, Eric. I've never seen them. Where did you get them?

Doug

 

[TIN_MAN]

Yeah, I particularly like the space station concept, kinda wish they had CGI'd it up for the remastered "The Ultimate Computer", but I like the Vanguard station we got too.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I'm sure many have seen this site before, but I thought some of the Jefferies sketches there were particularly interesting.

"Trouble With Tribbles" Space Station Ideas

Something from Phase II. Note the 6/77 date.

I think this one and this one are probably from 1977 as well, despite appearing "misfiled" with the early development of the Enterprise in "The Star Trek Sketchbook" - aside from the near-exact resemblance of the nacelle struts and the overall approach to the nacelles, Jefferies' signature here is close to that on his other 1977 work and somewhat different than his signature in the 1960s.

 

[Maurice]

Thanks, Eric. I've never seen them. Where did you get them?

Doug

The quote in my signature quotes an Eric, but I'm not Eric nor even Eric the half-Bee.

 

[M'Sharak]

I'm sure many have seen this site before, but I thought some of the Jefferies sketches there were particularly interesting.

"Trouble With Tribbles" Space Station Ideas

Something from Phase II. Note the 6/77 date.

I think this one and this one are probably from 1977 as well, despite appearing "misfiled" with the early development of the Enterprise in "The Star Trek Sketchbook" - aside from the near-exact resemblance of the nacelle struts and the overall approach to the nacelles, Jefferies' signature here is close to that on his other 1977 work and somewhat different than his signature in the 1960s.

Your second one also shows the same 6/77 date found on the Phase II item linked by DS9Sega.

(For some reason, though, when I click on yours as links, I get a "page not found" error, but copy/pasting the URL into the address bar does the trick.)

 

[SonicRanger]

Something from Phase II. Note the 6/77 date.

Does the scale of this one seem particular off to anyone?

 

[trevanian]

Something from Phase II. Note the 6/77 date.

Does the scale of this one seem particular off to anyone?

Yeah, he probably wouldn't fit in the tube. Good thing they didn't build this thing first at this scale and shoot stuff before having to correct for that, huh?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yep, not like they did when they designed and built the TOS model at about 500 feet long and then doubled the ship's alleged size later.

 

[Shaw]

Yep, not like they did when they designed and built the TOS model at about 500 feet long and then doubled the ship's alleged size later.

Which models were built at this 500 foot length?

The final plans (dated November 7, 1964) and both models used on film (completed on December 14 and 29, 1964) sure weren't intended to be that size. Was there some other TOS model you were thinking of?

 

[TIN_MAN]

^ At 500 ft long that's one big model!

 

[SonicRanger]

Something from Phase II. Note the 6/77 date.

Does the scale of this one seem particular off to anyone?

Yeah, he probably wouldn't fit in the tube. Good thing they didn't build this thing first at this scale and shoot stuff before having to correct for that, huh?

I tell ya, that Matt Jefferies was a hack who hated that genius Matt Jefferies, and that guy he was working for -- Gene Roddenberry -- was also a hack who wanted to change everything because he hated the original series created by Gene Roddenberry.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

So The Paradise Syndrome was going to be titled Paleface? I guess we'll chalk that change as a win.

EDIT: This is on the obelisk sketch, not some random observation...

 

[trevanian]

Does the scale of this one seem particular off to anyone?

Yeah, he probably wouldn't fit in the tube. Good thing they didn't build this thing first at this scale and shoot stuff before having to correct for that, huh?

I tell ya, that Matt Jefferies was a hack who hated that genius Matt Jefferies, and that guy he was working for -- Gene Roddenberry -- was also a hack who wanted to change everything because he hated the original series created by Gene Roddenberry.

Congratulations, you've just set a record for incomprehensibility ... and that means something on this BBS.

 

[SonicRanger]

Yeah, he probably wouldn't fit in the tube. Good thing they didn't build this thing first at this scale and shoot stuff before having to correct for that, huh?

I tell ya, that Matt Jefferies was a hack who hated that genius Matt Jefferies, and that guy he was working for -- Gene Roddenberry -- was also a hack who wanted to change everything because he hated the original series created by Gene Roddenberry.

Congratulations, you've just set a record for incomprehensibility ... and that means something on this BBS.

An inability to comprehend a satirical post -- one referencing MJ and GR wanting to change TOS designs for Phase II just to make them cooler and made in the light of a slam against Church and Abrams for the same thing -- isn't my problem.

 

[trevanian]

I tell ya, that Matt Jefferies was a hack who hated that genius Matt Jefferies, and that guy he was working for -- Gene Roddenberry -- was also a hack who wanted to change everything because he hated the original series created by Gene Roddenberry.

Congratulations, you've just set a record for incomprehensibility ... and that means something on this BBS.

An inability to comprehend a satirical post -- one referencing MJ and GR wanting to change TOS designs for Phase II just to make them cooler and made in the light of a slam against Church and Abrams for the same thing -- isn't my problem.

Clearly, context IS.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I tell ya, that Matt Jefferies was a hack who hated that genius Matt Jefferies, and that guy he was working for -- Gene Roddenberry -- was also a hack who wanted to change everything because he hated the original series created by Gene Roddenberry...

An inability to comprehend a satirical post -- one referencing MJ and GR wanting to change TOS designs for Phase II just to make them cooler and made in the light of a slam against Church and Abrams for the same thing -- isn't my problem.

There really was no reason to change the TOS Enterprise design for Phase II, of course - the torpedo tubes and possibly the slanted nacelle supports were the only visual improvements introduced in the redesign. The new nacelles were a mess, and were changed simply for the sake of change. The pentagonal "airlocks" were silly looking as well.

It would take Probert later adding some heft to the lower hull - extending it backwards a bit to offset the new larger-diameter saucer design - and adding some imaginative and interesting detail to create a new version of the Enterprise which was in any way better than the original.

 

[Shaw]

It would take Probert later adding some heft to the lower hull - extending it backwards a bit to offset the new larger-diameter saucer design - and adding some imaginative and interesting detail to create a new version of the Enterprise which was in any way better than the original.

 

[trevanian]

It would take Probert later adding some heft to the lower hull - extending it backwards a bit to offset the new larger-diameter saucer design - and adding some imaginative and interesting detail to create a new version of the Enterprise which was in any way better than the original.

Outside of Richard Taylor's notion for nacelle fronts (stuff I don't think anybody loves), the rest looks pretty close, at least at that stage. The Trumbull-mandated changes are the things that take it away from the MJ, but even there, it is more cosmetic than structural.

 

[Chrisisall]

The move away from rounded nacelles was a big mistake, IMO. It was an era-related thing, the idea of 70's aerodynamics, which had no place on a ship in space. I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now- Church's design corrects that, and for that, at the very least, I am grateful.
NuE ROCKS!!!
(Thanks Church & JJ)