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Spoilers Marvel's Echo on Disney+

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We are about a month out from the next entry in the MCU-- Echo, continuing the story of deaf antihero Maya Lopez, and her relationship with the crime lord Wilson Fisk, also known as the Kingpin, that was started back in Hawkeye a few years back.

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Early reviews seem very positive...

https://thedirect.com/article/marvel-studios-echo-reviews-critics

Critics praise Alaqua Cox's performance as the title character and the show's action. Echo will also feature Vincent D'Onofrio as Wilson Fisk/Kingpin, and will have an appearance from Charlie Cox (no relation) as Matt Murdock / Daredevil.

In a change of pace for Disney, all five episodes of Echo will be dropping on the same day, January 10th.
 
I've been awaiting for this series ever since her role on Hawkeye and I cannot wait to see how her story unfolds.

And, of course, it'll be very exciting to see more of Vincent D'Onofrio and Charlie Cox! Especially since we're going to have to wait so much longer for Born Again.
 
I have to admit, it's rather amusing how so many were poo-pooing this show from start to finish and saying she didn't deserve any spotlight.

Then the trailer drops and everyone's all "Oh, I love her I love her!"
 
Anwar said:
I have to admit, it's rather amusing how so many were poo-pooing this show from start to finish and saying she didn't deserve any spotlight.

Then the trailer drops and everyone's all "Oh, I love her I love her!"
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I don't see it as mutually exclusive. I still think it's a bizarre choice from the standpoint of the *MCU* though the most recent trailer looked pretty good. Even Disney is calling it a "Marvel Spotlight" or something project to delineate it from the main product.
 
Unimatrix Q said:
Think they most likely are now officially a part of the MCU, considering that they use the same actors for Matt and Fisk in Echo and that there were already references to the movies in the early Marvel shows.
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On the other hand, it begs the question why Fisk now seems to have superpowers, why Kate Bishop (a superhero junkie) had no idea who he was when he has that whole very public history that played out on the Netflix series, and why Karen and Foggy are apparently not a part of Matt's life anymore.

Just have to wait and see how it all plays out on Echo and Born Again, imo.
 
Grendelsbayne said:
On the other hand, it begs the question why Fisk now seems to have superpowers, why Kate Bishop (a superhero junkie) had no idea who he was when he has that whole very public history that played out on the Netflix series, and why Karen and Foggy are apparently not a part of Matt's life anymore.

Just have to wait and see how it all plays out on Echo and Born Again, imo.
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In-universe it's been well over 10 years (closing in on 15?) since the Netflix series. A lot can happened in that time. Luke and Jessica could be married and have a child.
 
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Turtletrekker said:
In-universe it's been well over 10 years (closing in on 15?) since the Netflix series. A lot can happened in that time. Luke and Jessica could be married and have a child.
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Absolutely true, but I'm still going to wait and see if there's any actual explanation or just a pretty different character being played by the same actor.
 
Grendelsbayne said:
Absolutely true, but I'm still going to wait and see if there's any actual explanation or just a pretty different character being played by the same actor.
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Remember reading D'Onofrio at least thinking of the MCU Kingpin as the same one from the Daredevil show.
 
Grendelsbayne said:
Absolutely true, but I'm still going to wait and see if there's any actual explanation or just a pretty different character being played by the same actor.
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for Disney accountants it is a new series to avoid certain contractual payments - Steven DeKnight said it is a “old Disney scam”.

I doubt viewers will notice the difference.
 
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JoeZhang said:
for Disney accountants it is a new series to avoid certain contractual payments - Steven McKnight said it is a “old Disney scam”.

I doubt viewers will notice the difference.
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He would know, his show Spartacus was one of the ones that popularized the trend of renaming every season...

Edit: FYI it's DeKnight.
 
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Unimatrix Q said:
Think they most likely are now officially a part of the MCU, considering that they use the same actors for Matt and Fisk in Echo and that there were already references to the movies in the early Marvel shows.
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I don't know, other than the fact that Matt and Fisk are played by the same actor we really haven't seen anything taken directly from the Netflix series.
 
Unimatrix Q said:
Think they most likely are now officially a part of the MCU, considering that they use the same actors for Matt and Fisk in Echo
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That doesn't prove anything. J.K. Simmons has played J. Jonah Jameson in two different live-action universes and several different animated continuities. Judi Dench continued playing M in the James Bond movies after they rebooted their continuity. Basil Rathbone & Nigel Bruce played Sherlock Holmes & Dr. Watson in a radio series set in the Victorian era at the same time they were playing Holmes & Watson in movies set in the 1940s. Adam West and Kevin Conroy both played Batman in multiple incompatible continuities.


and that there were already references to the movies in the early Marvel shows.
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Yes, obviously the Marvel Television shows were intended by their creators to take place in the MCU. That does not, however, require the makers of the MCU to reciprocate. It works the same as it does with the Star Trek novels I write, or tie-ins in general -- I write my stories as if they take place in the canonical Trek universe, but the canonical Trek universe does not have to acknowledge or stay consistent with my stories in return.

By the same token, the MCU could borrow some characters, continuity, and story elements from the Netflix shows while contradicting others, building their own separate continuity that just has certain aspects in common with the original one. Like how modern Star Wars has incorporated characters and ideas created for the old Expanded Universe, like Admiral Thrawn and the Nightsisters, but reinterpreted them to fit the new, distinct continuity.

Now, I'd certainly like it if the old MCU shows were reconfirmed to be in continuity. I'm just saying we can't assume they are based on casting alone.
 
I mean, if the Netflix shows were all set around 2015 when they started and it's something like 2025 in the MCU now because of the 5 year time skip then it's been a decade. Plenty of time for stuff to change for those characters and their lives. It doesn't have to be 100% like the Netflix shows because 10 years has passed for them in-universe.
 
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