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Marvel vs Trek: Franchise size

F. King Daniel

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Trek has 13 movies and 740 episodes across 51 years. The Marvel Cinematic Universe has 18 movies, 235 episodes across 10 years.

Trek has another season of Discovery coming, rumours of another limited series and perhaps another movie coming in the next couple of years, Marvel has 11 films planned for the next 5 years and loads more series' too. It looks like the MCU will have more live-action content than Star Trek in less than half the time.

I can't wait for Marvel fans to get as bitter and jaded about their franchise as we've gotten:lol:
 
My brother will be exited about all of this. He's a huge Marvel Fan. DC too. He's all about the comic book movies. It drives me up the wall when asks me "Have you seen this?", "Have you seen that?", and says "You HAVE to see this one!!!!"

I think the biggest difference between Marvel and Star Trek is that they're able to get multiple series on the big screen. X-Men, Spiderman, Iron Man, The Avengers, Thor, and on and on. All Star Trek really has for the big screen is TOS and TNG.

For the other series, you could probably get away with it, if you had something like Samuel L. Jackson as Sisko. Star Trek would have to be less about Trek and more about the Star.
 
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i'll never not be mad at CBS for pissing away bad robot's attempt at making a star trek shared universe.
This. Was a Kelvin-based show in the cards at one point? Because if CBS scrapped that idea, someone or several someones should be fired.
 
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This. Was a Kelvin-based show in the cards at one point? Because if CBS scrapped that idea, someone or several someones should be fired.
rumor was abrams and co wanted to do more films, have a TV series on the air, digital content, everything. they basically wanted trek to be the way star wars is shaping up to be.

but during the marketing of into darkness, bad robot asked CBS to cool with all the TOS merch to avoid brand confusion and CBS refused.

"J.J. just threw up his hands. The message was, 'Why set up all this when we'll just be competing against ourselves?' The studio wanted to please Bad Robot, but it was allowing CBS to say yay or nay when it came to what was happening with the Star Trek products."
 
Umm... CBS owned "the Star Trek products." On the marketing and merchandising side, why would it want to try to replace a proven quantity that fans and customers liked, with a reboot version that had untested staying power?

Honestly, if Abrams saw the continued presence of TOS in the public mind as "brand confusion" and "competing against ourselves," rather than as something complementary, then IMHO it's a damn good thing CBS shut him down. Letting Bad Robot call the shots would be the tail wagging the dog.

On a personal level, more of the Kelvinverse is not something I really have any interest in, and certainly not how I want Trek to be thought of in place of the original version.
 
On a personal level, more of the Kelvinverse is not something I really have any interest in, and certainly not how I want Trek to be thought of in place of the original version.
Yeah, because CBS have done definitely isn't replacing TOS with something new:rommie:
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On a personal level, more of the Kelvinverse is not something I really have any interest in, and certainly not how I want Trek to be thought of in place of the original version.
i would say this part is the crux of your argument.

anyway, CBS wasn't creating new material at that time, bad robot was. it's not outrageous for bad robot and paramount to attempt good faith cooperation with CBS. it could've been mutually beneficial for all three companies and it would've benefitted the fans.
 
Well, that's the thing... obviously none of us were in on the discussions at the time, but from the outside, Abrams "ask[ing] CBS to cool it with all the TOS merch" doesn't sound like "good faith cooperation" at all. It sounds like asking to have his new reboot version of things take precedence over all that had come before.
 
Well, that's the thing... obviously none of us were in on the discussions at the time, but from the outside, Abrams "ask[ing] CBS to cool it with all the TOS merch" doesn't sound like "good faith cooperation" at all. It sounds like asking to have his new reboot version of things take precedence over all that had come before.
once upon a time, the kelvin timeline was the franchise.

at the time, bad robot and paramount were the ones putting money into making new content, which CBS (which held a piece of the merchandising for) would then profit from. it would've been smart for CBS to cooperate with them and create a coherent identify for the IP, which yes would've put the kelvin timeline (which again was supposed to be the future of the franchise) front and center.

but that didn't happen. the TOS merchandise CBS was producing mostly sat on the shelves and the franchise was relegated to the theaters, with diminishing box office returns.

now we finally have it back on TV (kinda), but the franchise is still fractured. a huge missed opportunity in this era of cinematic universes.
 
Comic book movies are garbage.

In that case, garbage sells.

If Trek was as profitable as Marvel, we'd have more movies and television.

Heck, after laying fallow for so long, Star Wars is doing well now. A movie a year, a theme park, 2 animated series, upcoming live action series.

Maybe Disney should buy Star Trek.
 
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It would've been smart for CBS to cooperate with them... which yes would've put the kelvin timeline (which again was supposed to be the future of the franchise) front and center.
In business terms, I think CBS made the smart bet here. It banked on the content it had a long history with (and a big archive of), rather than the new flash-in-the-pan version with questionable staying power. Really, the Abrams Trek films were always a little too clearly his "demo reel" for taking on his first love, Star Wars.

In terms of personal enthusiasm as a fan, I'm very glad the Abrams films were not treated as the solitary "future of the franchise." If they were, not only would that be a franchise in which I'd have little to no interest, but even if I did, the franchise would be pretty much dead by now. After all, if the Abrams version of Trek didn't quite catch on (as seems to have been the case), there are lots of reasons to look at before one ever gets to "competition from TOS merchandise."

The "Kelvinverse" is a sideline. A curiosity. A modestly successful experiment. It was never going to be the totality of Star Trek's future.

Beyond that, circling back to the OP...

I'm not sure why there's any reason to see it as a competition. Personally, I like comic books and comic book movies, and I think one reason the Marvel Cinematic Universe is going a strongly as it is is that, frankly, it keeps making good films. It has yet to make one that really screws the pooch. Even at its worst (say, Hulk or Iron Man II), the MCU is at least moderately entertaining; at its best it's amazing (Avengers was one of the most legit four-quadrant movies in years). It has earned its cred with audiences. A decade ago, who would've thought that people would be lining up to see movies adapting Ant-Man or Black Panther?

At a sentimental level, as a fan, I don't have nearly as strong an attachment to Marvel's characters as I do to DC's, or for that matter to Star Trek. But the Marvel movies are simply better movies than the kludgy Zack Snyder DCEU films, and certainly than the Abrams Trek films. I give a lot of credit to Kevin Feige, who clearly knows what he's doing.

But none of that is actually in competition with Trek, or obstructing Trek from being more successful. And certainly, "total hours of live-action content" isn't a relevant metric.

I'd love to see Trek be just as consistently entertaining as the MCU... the thing is, there's apparently nobody at CBS with the kind of devoted love for the property, and keenly honed creative sensibility, that Feige brings to Marvel. I had hopes for Discovery... especially back when it involved people like Bryan Fuller and Nick Meyer rather than people like Akiva Goldsman and Ted Sullivan... but the first season was a very mixed bag, to say the least. Not as bad as the Abrams stuff, to be sure, and more entertaining than the first seasons of most past Trek spinoffs... but still, that's a pretty low bar. Lots of unrealized potential, emphasis on the "unrealized." But even if it's not necessarily "the future of Trek" in its own right, that doesn't mean that Trek doesn't have a future. It just hasn't found a solid creative footing yet.
 
Yeah, because CBS have done definitely isn't replacing TOS with something new:rommie:
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The big difference between DISCOVERY and the Abrams movies is that at least the former's version of the Enterprise actually looks like an updated version of her, while Abrams' version looks like a fat storm trooper hot rod version of our beloved ship.
 
The big difference between DISCOVERY and the Abrams movies is that at least the former's version of the Enterprise actually looks like an updated version of her, while Abrams' version looks like a fat storm trooper hot rod version of our beloved ship.
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we really slipped into some hot takes pretty quick here.
 
Trek has 13 movies and 740 episodes across 51 years. The Marvel Cinematic Universe has 18 movies, 235 episodes across 10 years.

Trek has another season of Discovery coming, rumours of another limited series and perhaps another movie coming in the next couple of years, Marvel has 11 films planned for the next 5 years and loads more series' too. It looks like the MCU will have more live-action content than Star Trek in less than half the time.

I can't wait for Marvel fans to get as bitter and jaded about their franchise as we've gotten:lol:

Trek fans jaded! surely not.
 
I think he difference between Star Trek and Marvel is that Star Trek works better as a series and Marvel is the opposite.

When compared... I think Marvel is almost nothing compared to Star Trek which is so much more.
I don't mean the amount of things, but the content.
 
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