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Marvel Civil War Pro-Registration

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http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/02/political-pundits-on-civil-war-iron-man-was-right/


I thought it was interesting back during the civil war storyline that it was very obvious that the reader was supposed to take the "anti-registration" side. Of course(as the linked article makes clear) this was a storyline written during the tail end of the GWB presidency and was a clear allegory for crackdowns on civil liberties and the Patriot Act.


Except... it was a TERRIBLE allegory. The anti-registration side was basically arguing for unaccountable vigilantism. The waters got muddies because later writers stacked the deck even MORE against the pro-side by making them favor registration for ALL super-powered individuals regardless of whether they intended to fight crime or not. This turned it from an argument about vigilantism to one about forced conscription by government.

But on its face, the point that if you're going to fight crime and stop supervillains(the job of police and the military) you should be part of an official group with democratic accountability and not just a bunch of vigilantes is pretty hard to dispute unless you're pretty hard core anti-government and don't think that they have a monopoly on legitimate force.(in which case roving crimefighting militias of regular folks with guns should be fine too)

Of course it all became moot when the whole registration effort turned out to be a nefarious plot, but I think that the linked article shows that the civil war dispute was a seriously flawed allegory.
 
I was anti-registration from reading the story. Spider-Man alone proved why it didn't work. In a world with supervillains, you don't turn the superheroes into unwilling servants and give their family's home address to psychopaths. Its just like the mutant registration act. Helping people doesn't mean you have no rights. In the kind of world the Marvel U has, you need the heroes. The heroes can't be forced to join agencies that have, many times in the past, been taken over or ran by bad people (that includes the Marvel U's various governments), and being free agents is, a lot of the time, the best way to do things. Do bad things happen? Yes, but accidents will happen either way, and SHIELD alone has probably caused things worst than Stamford. Governments, SHIELD, and just agencies in general are ripe for corruption (like when the US gave its superhero program to the green goblin). Making vigilantes unwilling servants to the state is not something the US should have been doing, and they rightfully got burned by it with Hammer and just the corruption of SHIELD under Stark.
 
I was anti-registration from reading the story. Spider-Man alone proved why it didn't work. In a world with supervillains, you don't turn the superheroes into unwilling servants and give their family's home address to psychopaths. Its just like the mutant registration act. Helping people doesn't mean you have no rights. In the kind of world the Marvel U has, you need the heroes. The heroes can't be forced to join agencies that have, many times in the past, been taken over or ran by bad people (that includes the Marvel U's various governments), and being free agents is, a lot of the time, the best way to do things. Do bad things happen? Yes, but accidents will happen either way, and SHIELD alone has probably caused things worst than Stamford. Governments, SHIELD, and just agencies in general are ripe for corruption (like when the US gave its superhero program to the green goblin). Making vigilantes unwilling servants to the state is not something the US should have been doing, and they rightfully got burned by it with Hammer and just the corruption of SHIELD under Stark.


I agree with the comments above, especially the bolded statement.

The idea may have had merit, but the writers of the series showed why "in-universe" it was a terrible idea.
 
They didn't agree with the law, so they fought in the streets.

Stupid.

The correct response was to blow up congress or brain wash congress or BUY congress.
 
I don't think they did a good enough job giving a fair voice to both sides, which was unfortunate. That being said, I disagree with the idea that it was only intended to regulate those who chose to fight.

Interestingly, in the Acts of Vengeance crossover (along time ago), Reed Richards went to Washington and spoke about the pros and cons of a superhero registration (he ultimately recommended rejecting the idea). However, one of the analogies he used was to the selective service. In that sense, superhero registration is basically just a draft (for both its pros and cons).
 
IIRC, I don't think Marvel's Civil War forced the reader to pick sides. They gave good points on both sides letting the reader decide who's right. Then they made it a plot to make everyone join together again.
 
I don't think they did a good enough job giving a fair voice to both sides, which was unfortunate. That being said, I disagree with the idea that it was only intended to regulate those who chose to fight.

Interestingly, in the Acts of Vengeance crossover (along time ago), Reed Richards went to Washington and spoke about the pros and cons of a superhero registration (he ultimately recommended rejecting the idea). However, one of the analogies he used was to the selective service. In that sense, superhero registration is basically just a draft (for both its pros and cons).



It was originally intended to regulate only those who were going to use their powers, because if they weren't going to, why did the government care either way? Then when different writers took over at various points during the storyline it became an issue of registering ANYONE with powers and drafting them into service.

The first "pro-registration" argument is a pretty straightforward one against vigilantes, but what it became was pretty hard to defend.
 
In the pages of Wolverine it became clear that the CEO of the super powers related construction company Damage Control had hooked Nitro on Mutant Growth Hormone so that he was tweaking with ten times the powers he was used to, so that he would create carnage that damage control could clean up after.

Stamford wasn't even Speedball's fault sorta.

But he 50 State initiative needed Warm Bodies even if they were dragged in kicking and screaming.

But face facts, 50 Avengers teams.

The Super Villains should have either retired or left the country.

That's not fair to Alpha Flight.

What happened to Ben Grimm was appalling.

He said "Fuck this" and left for France.

The US Government seized his bank account, which had billions in it because of a recent story line where Ben only just found out that he owned 1/4 of everything Reed did since the beginning and no one had told him up to that point. Reed managed his money like Grim was a child.

There was an episode of the West Wing with a Black Activist was politely and seriously asking for 600 billion dollars as slavery reparations to be handed over instantly.

I wonder what Marvel's US Government did with the 600 Billion dollars they took from the Thing?
 
<<I wonder what Marvel's US Government did with the 600 Billion dollars they took from the Thing? >>

Where do you think Helicarriers come from? :lol:
 
I always thought that they "liberated" the Peak off Kang after he invaded America (Avengers 50ish?) at the turn of the century, who was eventually repelled after a lengthy occupation on American soil... but Wikipedia does not support that supposition.

Do they look almost identical?

A massive Sword hanging geosynchronously over the States?

http://marvel.wikia.com/Damocles_Base

vs...

http://marvel.wikia.com/Peak_VII

The Peak SEVEN?

They needed the Things billions, and then some. ;)

Of course I may not be thinking Fourth dimensionally enough.

What if in 200 years, the Peak is still around and Kang slightly retrofits it to become Damocles Base before he goes back to 2002 to pistolwhip George W. Bush?
 
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