Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

  1. A+

    20.5%
  2. A

    30.5%
  3. A-

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  4. B+

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  5. B

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  6. B-

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  7. C+

    2.0%
  8. C

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  9. C-

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  10. D+

    0 vote(s)
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  11. D

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  13. F

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  1. Tosk

    Tosk Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Funny to see CBR ignorantly copy-pasting the same error from the original 2014 Den of Geek article. They use the word "gets" instead of "gits". :D
     
  2. Reverend

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    It's about what I assumed. They went in expecting to bring him back, but over time other story threads just took over. By the time they got around to it the character would have been all but forgotten by the audience while Talbot had been an almost constant presence, so they went with him instead. Given everything I've seen and read about those show runners over the years, I'd be very surprised if any actual drama was involved.
     
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  3. TREK_GOD_1

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    More to the point, a studio does not need to base their production's narrative goals on whether or not someone saw a completely unrelated production from another studio. The MCU has its own voice, and sets its own standards within the universe it constructed, similar to any comic book adaptation.
     
  4. Nightowl1701

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    Seems to me WandaVision already had the classic F4 origin lined up for us, what with SWORD's astronaut division and the Cosmic Microwave Background 'Ray'diation (which we saw activate Monica's powers). It's not a huge jump from there to 'Reed wants to study CMBR, gets told no, says "If we don't do it first, the Russians/Latverians/somebody else will" and goes rogue, steals a SWORD rocket with the other three dragged along for the ride.' You could knock all that out in a Marvel one-shot (been a while since we had one of those).
     
  5. Christopher

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    We've been studying the CMBR for decades already. It's just the residual heat from the Big Bang. It was predicted in 1948 and confirmed to exist in 1964, and we've been sending up satellites to map it since the 1980s. Those studies have been responsible for a great deal of the advancement of cosmology over the past few decades. Trying to beat someone else to study of the CMBR would be as outdated as trying to beat the Russians to the Moon.

    Besides, the CMBR didn't give Monica her powers; the chaos energies of the Hex rewrote her DNA. The only involvement of the CMBR in WandaVision is that Darcy was able to identify Wanda's television signals encoded into the CMBR, which was anomalous since the CMBR has existed since the dawn of the universe. It was evidence that Wanda's powers had rewritten reality on a fundamental level. The CMBR wasn't the cause of that, it was just the blank canvas that showed the evidence of her work.

    Here's an article with more: https://thescienceof.org/wandavision-and-the-cmbr/
     
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  6. Saul

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    https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/x-men-mcu-legal-issues

    Unconfirmed but it would make sense why we have no X-men movie yet. Basically, while Disney owns everything Fox related the previous cast of X-men still have contracts for their roles up until 2025 which means that Disney couldn't cast anyone new in those roles until after that expires.
     
  7. Timelord Victorious

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    That sounds weird, considering almost every XMen actor has already been recast while under FOX at least once.
    So, are we to assume those contracts only apply to the First Class cast? Or did the old group get new contracts when Days of Future’s Past came around while keeping the second group around, too?
    Maybe the time travel and era changes allowed for this?
    But then it’s hard to believe multiverse shenanigans with the established concept of alternate universe versions being essentially different characters does not count.
     
  8. Christopher

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    Every version of a character is the same character legally. Even if they're treated as distinct individuals within a story, that fictional conceit does not count in real life when talking about who legally owns or has contractual rights to a character. In real life, they're still derived from the same single creation of the same person or people. Even Joker's Arthur Fleck is credited as the creation of Bob Kane, Bill Finger, and Jerry Robinson despite bearing very little resemblance to any version of the Joker in the comics.

    That's why Marvel couldn't make a Spider-Man movie without making a deal with Sony. In-story, Tom Holland's Peter Parker is a different person from the other two Peter Parkers he met, but in real life, Marvel couldn't claim he was a different character, because the word "character" refers to the concept of a being with a specific name, role, and attributes. It's like a song -- no matter how many different bands perform a song with different arrangements and styles and revised lyrics, they're all still the same song.
     
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  9. Timelord Victorious

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    Then how could FOX themselves recast those characters without problem and go back and forth between them if the roles are tied to specific actors?
     
  10. Christopher

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    That's a different question entirely from what defines a distinct character as a piece of intellectual property. But at a guess, First Class came out five years after The Last Stand, so maybe the original actors' contracts had already lapsed and they negotiated new ones for Days of Future Past. Although there were some recastings earlier in X-Men Origins: Wolverine (e.g. young Cyclops), and of course Kitty Pryde was recast twice in three movies. I can't really answer a question about performer contracts, because their terms are not public.

    But a situation where "X can't do something until Y's contractual option expires" is fairly common, e.g. how Pocket Books acquired the Star Trek novel license in 1979 but couldn't begin publishing original novels until Bantam released their last contracted novel in 1981.
     
  11. StCoop

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    Assuming it's true it would not be that they have to use these actors it's that the actors would have right of First Refusal on the roles. Like how the Producers of 'Die Hard' had to offer the main role to Frank Sinatra first. And Deadpool aside they'd want to start fresh with casting so safer to wait rather than risk someone saying yes.
     
  12. Reverend

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    The source for this is just some random fan podcast; not exactly an inside source. Smells like pure speculation to me.

    Even if the story is true, doesn't sound like a massive impediment to me. Disney could always simply just buy whichever specific actor they want to replace out of their respective contract. There's always clauses for this kind of thing.

    Or they're just going to wait it out, because introducing something as massive as mutantkind into the existing MCU will take time to set up anyway. Probably via Secret Wars which is quite a ways off yet, so it's a moot concern either way.
    I could see a case to be made for Dafne Keen to be asked back; perhaps even the very same version of her "Miles Moralesed" into continuity as part of 'Secret Wars'. Honestly I'd much rather have Laura be the MCU's Wolverine than watch someone struggle to escape Jackman's shadow as a new version of Logan.
     
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  13. TREK_GOD_1

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    While on FF-related subjects, former Sue Storm--you might know her as Jessica Alba--recently offered this opinion about the MCU

    Jessica Alba Says Marvel Movies Are ‘Still Quite Caucasian’: Not Much Has Changed Since ‘Fantastic Four’ Days

    It should come as no shocker that the usual suspects of social media attacked her, first with the fusillade of "whatabout" arguments (listing Black Panther/Wakanda, Sam Wilson, Monica Rambeau, Nick Fury, Luke Cage, Shang-Chi, Heimdall, Ms. Marvel, Rhodey, Mordo, Namor, et al.), then the expected suggestion that some people won't be happy until all comic heroes are "race-swapped". It never ends, nor should anyone expect it to.
     
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  15. The Nth Doctor

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    "All buzz, no barf." :lol:
     
  16. Turtletrekker

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    Secret Invasion is being billed as a "crossover event" in an alleged plot synopsis, which isn't surprising given the subject matter, but I think this is the first time I've seen it billed as such.

    https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marve...ewly-revealed-synopsis-a195071#gs.7049.81pl7n

    So far, we know about Samuel jackson, Cobie Smulders, Ben Mendelssohn, Don Cheadle and Martin Freeman, but that doesn't exactly scream "crossover event" as yet.
     
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  17. StCoop

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    Given that it's set between 'Infinity War' and 'Endgame' it doesn't leave many big name characters on the table.
     
  18. Turtletrekker

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    Nick Fury and Maria Hill were amongst those that were dusted in between Infinity War and Endgame, so it can't be set entirely in that period.
     
  19. StCoop

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    That's one of the big mysteries...
     
  20. The Nth Doctor

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    First I've heard that. Do you have a source to back that claim?
     
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