Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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  2. A

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  8. C

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  10. D+

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  1. StCoop

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  2. Turtletrekker

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    Hell, yes!
     
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  3. Ar-Pharazon

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    Not sure if there's enough episodes, but obviously Kingpin (hoping it's the same actor from Hawkeye) could & should be in both Echo & Daredevil.

    Also hoping for some crossover action between those 2 shows with as much as there was in the comics.
     
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    Hell, yes!!!

    Here's hoping Deborah Ann Woll and Elden Hansen both return, too!
     
  5. JD

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    For me whether I like the grounded approach is all about the characters, some characters it works better for than others, and the Netflix characters were perfect or that kind of approach.
     
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    Charlie Cox and Vincent D'onofrio have officially crossed into the MCU with "Hawkeye" and "No Way Home". It's a lock that Vincent D'onofrio will continue playing Kingpin.
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    Was D'onofrio in No Way Home?
     
  9. Turtletrekker

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    No, but there was reference to the Hawkeye show.
     
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    I'm curious how this will address the Netflix series. I'm thinking this is probably going to be at about the same content level as the other shows and movies, so I wonder how closely they're going want to tie it into the more adult Netflix series.
     
  11. Samurai8472

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    No.

    Charlie Cox was in "No Way Home" which solidified that the Daredevil series was 100% in the MCU

    D'onofrio's Kingpin from the netflix Daredevil series. interacted with MCU's "Hawkeye" series
     
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  12. fireproof78

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    One doesn't automatically lead to the other.
     
  13. Christopher

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    In theory, no; see Judi Dench as M in two James Bond continuities. Yet I see no reason why it shouldn't be the case here.
     
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    My guess is they'll just have Murdock say something like "We have a history" when someone asks him about the Kingpin, without going into detail.
     
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    I will be curious to see. Cox and D'onofrio are one of the best parts of the MCU.
     
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    Well, it solidified that Charlie Cox plays Daredevil in the MCU, and Hawkeye confirmed D'onofrio as Kingpin. But if the MCU wants to, for example, jettison some of the stuff from the later DD seasons (the MCU needs better versions of Elektra and Bullseye then the shitty versions the Netflix show had), they could do that easily. The MCU Daredevil show will also almost certainly be PG-13, but the vast majority of Daredevil media has been the equivalent of that rating or lower so it probably won't be a problem. Hopefully he also keeps his damn costume, and doesn't just keep throwing it away/quit being DD in general. That got really old (although not quite on the level of Oliver Queen "quitting" being a hero on Arrow).

    Also, if we see Luke Cage or Jessica Jones again I'm fine with the same actors, but the characters better get a power boost to better match their comic versions, kind of like Kingpin has gotten. Jessica especially, she doesn't need to fly but in the comics Jessica Jones can lift and toss a car at least a short distance, while I don't even remember if she had any form of super strength in her show, if she did it was barely noticeable (at least in the first season, I didn't bother with the second).
     
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    Jessica Jones superpowers in season 1
     
  18. kirk55555

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    I skimmed that video, and that fight with the other woman in a room was pathetic when it comes to what Jessica should be able to do, in the comics Jessica could have thrown her through a wall. Same with her struggling to beat two random guys. So, yeah, if the character shows back up hopefully she'll have a bit more power, the Netflix one seems to just be slightly stronger then you'd expect of someone her size/stature. I guess that is just strong enough to count as a bit abnormal, but its a pretty lame example of "super strength".
     
  19. EnderAKH

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    She literally held up the back end of a car. Trying to drive away. With one hand. She punched a woman in the chest so hard she flew across the room and died. Yeah, she probably pulls her punches when fighting people.
     
  20. kirk55555

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    Well then she seems to really hold back even when the situation doesn't call for it, like in that scene where two random goons are basically kicking her butt, or at bare minimum were doing a good job of stopping her from doing whatever she was trying to do. :vulcan:

    Seriously, I know its a mediocre TV show but they obviously powered up or weakened her depending on what they wanted in the scene, to a ridiculously noticeable extent, and even at the strongest you describe she's still a lot weaker then the comic version.

    To be clear, her lame powers are only a small problem in a very shitty show, I'd have less of an issue if I didn't hate almost everyone on the show and if the writing wasn't dreadful (and that was season 1, I've seen people online that liked season 1 dislike season 2). I was literally just watching the show for David Tennant after the first few episodes. Jessica isn't even very good in her own show, but the actress is decent and she was pretty good when interacting with the other leads in The Defenders (which was an overall "meh" show but the Matt/Jessica/Luke interactions were actually pretty great in it).