March 2017 challenge: Honor Those That Came Before

Discussion in 'Fan Art' started by BorgMan, Mar 4, 2017.

  1. BorgMan

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    After some thought, I decided to go a direction not much people have taken and of which, honestly, I'm not sure many will even now.

    Time to delve into the depths of DeviantArt, SciFi-Meshes and our very own Art Forum, because this month I want you all to Honor Those That Came Before by picking a design someone else made up to ten years ago -yes, 2007- and redesign it as if it was your own.

    For clarity, here's some rules!

    You can select:
    • A design created and finished before December 31st, 2007;
    • A design featured in one of the sourced materials (books, calendars, etc);
    • A design created as concept art for something.
    You can not select:
    • A design which is canon;
    • A design first created as concept art, but canonized after December 31st, 2007;
    • A design you collaborated on.
    Your entry will need to consist of two pieces:
    • The image which will feature your redesign;
    • The image containing your source and credit to the original artist(s).
    Don't forget to send your entry by March 31st to Ptrope at his gmail dot com address!

    Happy redesigning :-)
     
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  2. Cyfa

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    Ooh, this is an interesting theme. And the limitations (nothing from before 2007, and nothing canon, right?) should encourage some creative thinking.
    I'm off to scour my favourites on DeviantArt...
     
  3. Finn

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    Cool. I already found something posted on this board during the fall of 2007. The poster hasn't been here for nearly five years, at least under that account...
     
  4. Ptrope

    Ptrope Agitator Admiral

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    Sounds like an interesting - dare I say, 'challenging?' - idea! But I'm a little puzzled by the semantics, so I want to get it clear in my head; I may read things differently than you intended, or than others interpret them.

    [Pick] a design someone else made up to ten years ago - yes, 2007 - are you saying "2007 to the present" or "nothing after 2007?"
    No canon designs are allowed! - Clear enough ;)
    Books and calendars (like Ships of the Line) aren't counted - as viable source material? Some of the designs in them aren't canon, after all.
    And since Star Trek Online wasn't even released yet, that's easy ;) - This is what makes me question which direction we're going from 2007 - if STO didn't exist until after 2007, I read this as, "Since it didn't even exist yet, its designs are off-limits." Or should I be interpreting that as "Anything from STO goes"? I've never played it, and have virtually no knowledge of STO at all.
    Concept art for unreleased material is a go, though. - within whatever the range is. I interpret 'unreleased' as 'unused designs?' Or is this more, 'no unused designs for aspects that DID end up as canon, so no redesigning unused designs by Matt Jefferies for the Constitution class' ?
    Deadline for when applicable designs were made is December 31st, 2007. - Again, this, to me, says, "The last date a non-canon or non-produced concept design can have been created is 12/31/2007" - because you've made a point of 2007 and yet this date, if 2007 to the present, means nothing from 2007 would be included anyway.

    I hope I'm not overthinking your challenge - it just seems that the immediate interpretation is 'nothing from before 2007,' but the details to me add up to 'nothing after 2007.'

    Whichever way it goes, should the entries include the original design and appropriate credit, along with the artist's redesign of it, so we have context?
     
  5. BorgMan

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    Ah, fine questions! I initially intended for the contest to be a design of anything up to 31/12/2007, but the guys make an excellent point of constraining it to just the year 2007. Books and calendars aren't counted as canon, so any design in them can be entered into the competition. Personally I'd say "no concept art that was eventually made canon".

    Yes, credit to the original source should be included. I'm dubbing if the source as a picture should be included into the same picture used in the final entry though. I know for my style of presentation that means I'll have to break immersion to present that source. Perhaps instead of the maximum of a single picture (1920 x 1080), just double the height (2160px)? I can use some ideas in that field...
     
  6. Ptrope

    Ptrope Agitator Admiral

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    I see no reason why, for this challenge, the source image couldn't be submitted as a second image to accompany the entry itself; no need to necessarily insert it into the art.

    I'm more in favor of the "nothing newer than 2007," just because finding things specifically from 2007 might be more time-consuming than the actual art (hey, you know me and my 11th-hour inspirations ;) ). But a strictly-2007 approach does make sense if you're thinking of a 10-year perspective.
     
  7. BorgMan

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    I agree. I've changed the contest opening into something a bit more readable. I was really excited and have, indeed, gotten my semantics all messed up. I hope this helps :-)
     
  8. Cyfa

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    Drat! And I'd found something awesome from 2009... Still, it's probably for the best as I don't think I would have done it justice (although I might have a go anyway just for the sake of it).
    At least this will give me an excuse to pore through all my Trek art/"making of" books again :)
     
  9. Ptrope

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    Thanks for the clarification, BorgMan! Now, to the hunt! :D
     
  10. Morpheus 02

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    Can someone post an example to demonstrate the format?
     
  11. BorgMan

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    You are practically free to present in a way you like, but personally I like to have the end result as a 1920 x 1080px image so that it can be used as a wallpaper if anyone wishes to do so. The size of the source image is irrelevant, so long as it's not too big.
     
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    I meant an example...It is a bit an example, to get a sense of the content. Thanks
     
  13. B.J.

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    Here's an example for you: The Moscow class, originally featured in the ST:TNG Officer's Manual (1988), and was not a canon design, nor has it been "canonized" since. If you can figure out a way to redesign that, go for it!

    There's also probably metric tons of fan-designed things out there that you could start with. But the licensed materials like the above and the FASA designs are probably an easier starting point.
     
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  14. BorgMan

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    Thanks B.J.!

    I had the sudden realization that my rendition of the Carolina would fit perfectly...
     
  15. psCargile

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    I take it back, the Discovery design is more favorable to my eyes than the Moscow class.
     
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  17. BorgMan

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    They have never been used in a canon setting so I'd say go ahead :-)
     
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    Commodore_Sarvour Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I realize i'm a bit late to this party, but I may try taking a stab at it. So I am clear, Any Non-Canon ship published by December 31, 2007? So designs more than 10 years old qualify?
     
  19. B.J.

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    ^ Pretty much!
     
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  20. BorgMan

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    Yes, that's basically it. Go for it :-)