major plot hole about lightning storms in space

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Ok .. follow me here, because this one had me confounded at the cinema

The Kelvin is checking it's readings, and they describe the black hole as a lightning storm in space.


Skip to about 43 minutes into the film, a "lightning storm" is detected near Vulcan, and Kirk recognizes the fmailiarity with the descriptions.

WTF?

That's all I can say. did the Narada actually need to create another black hole to make it to Vulcan?

 

[DEWLine]

The anomalies that the Narada and Jellyfish travelled through to get from "24th Century-Prime" to "23rd Century-Alt" - were, if I understand correctly, more akin to wormholes like the ones at "Barzan-Prime" and "Bajor-Prime" than a traditionally understood black hole. The "lightning storms" seemed consistent with my understanding of those other wormholes' visual depictions.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

True, but that's not my point.

My point: Narada didn't need to create a wormhole or a black hole to get from the Klingon Neutral Zone to Vulcan, as it has warp engines.

 

[DEWLine]

Narada created no such thing. They were waiting for the wormhole to form on its own to bring "Spock Prime" to them.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Was Spock's arrival that caused the "lightning storm"?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

but that happened before Kirk took the Kobyashi Meru,.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Was Spock's arrival that caused the "lightning storm"?

No, the other way around.

In 2387, Nero and Spock entered the black hole almost at the same time. Nero actually entered first, so he emerged first - in 2233. Spock, on the other hand, was kicked out of the wormhole much later, in 2258. The lightning storm was just the terminus of that wormhole.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I''m trying to figure out the sequence of events. Is the Lightning storm near Vulcan is from Spock's arrival?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

what I was asking about is:

Why did Chekov say that there was one of these storms at Vulcan?

 

[Nowhere Man]

Good point my friend, major plot hole. Although it could be that the second lightening storm is when Spock arrives.

 

[DEWLine]

Was Spock's arrival that caused the "lightning storm"?

Yes. It was a precursor effect that continued until his transit was complete.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Good point my friend, major plot hole. Although it could be that the second lightening storm is when Spock arrives.

Could be.. but it seems more like the Narada simply creates these storms just because it's a big space squid.

 

[DEWLine]

what I was asking about is: Why did Chekov say that there was one of these storms at Vulcan?

Because that's where Spock's transit took him once he got to the alternate universe. Nero and company came out near the Federation-Klingon border, but both started from the "Prime" version of Romulan home-space. Luck of the draw in each transit's case, apparently.

 

[DEWLine]

but that happened before Kirk took the Kobyashi Meru,.

And the conclusion I drew from that is that from Spock's arrival at alt-Vulcan to the final destruction of the Narada covered a small span of days if not hours.

 

[omnirad]

The lightning storm has to be Spock Prime returning to normal space, right?
Then Narada captures Jellyfish. Nero banishes Spock to Delta Vega. Narada attacks Vulcan.

Vulcan and Delta Vega must be in the same neighborhood. (And this is Delta Vega Epsilon Pi)

 

[RoJoHen]

I assumed this lightning storm was where Spock exited the blackhole. That it appeared near Vulcan was a happy (or not-so-happy) coincidence.

-Storm appears near Vulcan
-The Narada is there waiting for Spock to emerge
-Nero captures Spock and maroons him on Delta Vega
-While Nero is capturing/marooning Spock on Delta Vega, Starfleet gets word of what happened
-In the time that it takes the Starfleet cadets to board their ships, Nero starts drilling into Vulcan
-Starfleet arrives, gets blown up
-Enterprise arrives, doesn't get blown up

 

[M'Sharak]

what I was asking about is:

Why did Chekov say that there was one of these storms at Vulcan?

He didn't say it. Here's what he did say - first:

Chekov: May I have your attention please?
At 22:00, telemetry detected an anomaly in the neutral zone.
What appeared to be a lightning storm in space.

That's one message -- one event. The neutral zone is not near Vulcan, and the "lightning storm in space" is the outlet of the wormhole spitting out Spock, as Narada sits waiting to capture him (and the Jellyfish ship with its red matter, which Nero needs in order to destroy Vulcan.)

And second:

Chekov: Soon after, Starfleet received a distress signal from the Vulcan high command that their planet was experiencing seismic activity.

That's a separate message -- separate event.

What happens after that is that Kirk is able to make the connection between what appear to be two unrelated events in two different locations.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

You know, you're right!

And when you're right, you're right!

And you, you're always right.

Cue Spaceballs theme.

Anyway, thanks for the clarification.

 

[Yug]

Not a plot hole... Spock Prime coming thru the wormhole creates the second lightning storm. Nero is waiting and captures Spock and begins his plan... all transpires from there. Adapting red matter from the Jelly fish, travel to Vulcan, putting Spock on Delta Vega, attacking Vulcan and their defenses. We don't know how long Spock was on Nero's ship. Or how long it took to travel from the neutral zone to Vulcan... The Maru test and the Starfleet hearing regarding Kirk's cheating the test and the distress signal from Vucan all could happen within a day... the timeline fits.

 

[SalvorHardin]

what I was asking about is:

Why did Chekov say that there was one of these storms at Vulcan?

He didn't say it. Here's what he did say - first:

Chekov: May I have your attention please?
At 22:00, telemetry detected an anomaly in the neutral zone.
What appeared to be a lightning storm in space.

That's one message -- one event. The neutral zone is not near Vulcan, and the "lightning storm in space" is the outlet of the wormhole spitting out Spock, as Narada sits waiting to capture him (and the Jellyfish ship with its red matter, which Nero needs in order to destroy Vulcan.)

And second:

Chekov: Soon after, Starfleet received a distress signal from the Vulcan high command that their planet was experiencing seismic activity.

That's a separate message -- separate event.

What happens after that is that Kirk is able to make the connection between what appear to be two unrelated events in two different locations.

What M' said.
There's no plot hole here, sorry.