Loved the movie, hated... (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by IvosevicJ, May 15, 2009.

  1. CommanderRaytas

    CommanderRaytas DISCO QUEEEEEEN Rear Admiral

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    Yup. Besides, I never liked the Vulcans anyway. :vulcan:
     
  2. Tralah

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    Vulcans are my favorite race, but perversely, I loved the fact that Vulcan was destroyed. Maybe there is something wrong with me? :lol: To me, I'm intrigued what will happen to the surviving Vulcans and how their culture will change and adapt, and the affect this blow will have on the Federation. It also adds another layer, a tragic one, to Spock which I'm going to enjoy seeing expanded upon in later movies.
     
  3. Rii

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    Didn't bother me in the least.
     
  4. startrekwatcher

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    I disagree. I thought the Xindi arc did a lot of things better than this film including the presentation of Earth's destruction and the crew's reaction. Hell, there was more of an appropriate scene when the crew returned in "The Expanse" than we received in the film.

    And while it really isn't fair to compare a season long arc to a two hour film, I do think it is fair to compare the final three Xindi episodes to this film since they were treated as three acts of a film and are about two hours in length. Those final three episodes hardly lacked frenetic pacing or eye candy in terms of battle sequences and visuals yet they managed to have quiet reflection(Hoshi/Archer, Reed/T'Pol after the death of the redshirt, Trip/Degra) as well as providing plausible motivations for the characters especially the villians.
     
  5. Gepard

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    Those sound like species cooleddie would dream up. Then fist. Then make us watch.
     
  6. Amaris

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    The only problem with the Clitorisians is that we can't find any record of their existence whatsoever. Oh, there are stories of lost explorers finding their way there by accident, but it's only hearsay and conjecture.

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  8. alicelouise

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    I didn't like the destruction of Vulcan either. However, 10,000 were saved from death. There is the possibility of a new Vulcan colony world.:rommie:
     
  9. cultcross

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    The destruction of Vulcan was necessary and appropriate both from a tension/impact perspective and simple storytelling. I applaud the move, to show in one event that Star Trek is no longer the king of the reset button, where the only lasting changes are occasionally people gain pips (and weight :vulcan:).
    I think a lot of people are being bizarrely very melodramatic about the destruction. Vulcan's importance to Star Trek lore is largely expositional anyway, we could count the times we actually see it without running out of fingers, and when we do it's just the same old shots of rocks and desert - did we even meet that many Vulcans who lived there? Or get to know any settlements or places? Someone in this thread was on about 'coming to terms with the loss'. I've been a Trek fan my whole life I can remember, the loss of a fictional planet, shaking up the universe, excites me, interests me, it doesn't devastate me emotionally. To paraphrase Friends, I somehow held back the tears when the CGI artist stopped rendering the sphere.
     
  10. mythicdove

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    I hated it. That and the way Spock's mom died, only because it was so sad. So I liked it from a storytelling perspective because it had such impact, but I want Vulcan and his mom back.
     
  11. Jaespol

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    I thought it was excessive. I'm fine with a new universe but this is a little too different, no Vulcan?! That's a pretty crippling blow to the Federation, who's gonna replace them?
     
  12. Ovation

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    I neither like nor dislike the idea of Vulcan's destruction in and of itself. It was a bold move but I would not have liked the film less if it had not been destroyed. What I do like a great deal about the destruction of Vulcan is that there was no "reset button" at the end of the film. In this new universe, there are permanent consequences rather than "magic resets". And that is highly refreshing.
     
  13. Classic Fan

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    Me too.

    I neither liked or disliked it.

    Vulcan is pivotal to Star Trek, always and always will. However, its distruction in this time line is a big step. There is no vulcan to speak of, and if they have the same mass evacuation we do in terrorist attacks, all the politicians dignitaries and ambasadors left (hopefully) quickly, at least beamed to an orbiting ship and fled.

    I like also that there is no reset button. Vulcan is still gone, destroyed, and will be until the end of time, unless a property in the red matter sent its complete molecular structure to another dimension. Now that in interesting theory aint it. ;)

    In a way, i really liked it as it was so pivotal to Quintos Spocks character development in following outings. This Spock will not know his mother until her death as our Spock did, however will now be forced in a way to have a relationship with his father this time around hopefully spanning all the way to TNG era with Sareks emotional breakdown and death.

    However, it is a very sad moment as the two Spocks lost their mother, but in reality they were two different Spocks from different mothers (so to speak). So really, old Spock will now have this over whelming loss for the mother he loved and respected, but will now in a way be envious of Quintos Spock as he now has a potential relationship with Sarek which Nimoys Spock never got to have and regretted it until they put their differneces aside in ST:IV, and that closeness is brought together by emense tragedy.

    The loss of Vulcan and Amanda that are a big part of past Trek is a strong idea and very well done in that respect. Amanda was Spocks guide to the way the world works, she was his sanctuary, and now that is gone. Maybe we will see Quinto take Spock where Nimoy never had the chance to, a whole new level of the character that convinced Nimoy to come back one last time.
     
  14. startrekwatcher

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    I think Vulcan's destruction might have worked better if the writers had found a way to develop a storyline that brought some of the crew to Vulcan--maybe for some Academy off-world training under Spock's supervision--maybe including a scene where Kirk comes along with Spock to visit his parents which would allow some more Spock/Amanda and Kirk seeing a different side to Spock helping in their burgeoning friendship. Then we could have had Vulcan come under attack while they were there with those cadets joining up with Pike after the evacuation.
     
  15. FarDreaming

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    Hated the destruction of Vulcan and the death of Amanda. After 3 views I still have to close my eyes when it happens... I understand it was needed to advance the plot, but that doesn't mean I have to like it- or be neutral about it!
     
  16. RandyS

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    Yeah, Vulcan's destruction bothered me a little, but I can live with it. This IS a new version of Star Trek after all.
     
  17. Nardpuncher

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    ...the Anime-looking nurse on the Kelvin.
     
  18. Gojira

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    I thought the destruction of Vulcan was great, sad, but great story telling. It opens up many avenues for Story telling.