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LOOOOONG Analysis of 13's First Two Years (Spoiler, he doesn't like it)

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Was flicking through YT and stumbled across this. Upfront, it's 5 hours long. This is a guy who is starved for attention, folks!

That said, I quite like his analysis. Underdeveloped characters, shoddy plots, unconvincing stories, everything I thought on first watch, condensed (I say condensed) in this. I've been stopping and starting it, I don't think it could be watched in one hit.

Basically, he doesn't think Chibbers did a good job, and I concur. So, if you want your anti-Chibbers bias confirmed, have at it.

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The voice sounds oddly familiar. 😇

3:55:07 - the similarities to 10/Tennant are interesting, but the show was treated as superficial long before Whittaker got the role. Hello, sonic screwdriver (and other things, noting that the sonic screwdriver was destroyed in1982 due to perceived overuse and misuse... and yet some fans think JNT would have loved the modern era? Well, who knows-- either way, we will never really know as such...)

If it helps, canonical and other changes (dumb or otherwise) started long before Whittaker's era:

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While Diamanda is focusing on one story, various previous modern era episodes' ideas - ultimately disused or otherwise - are also peppered in. Then again, ideas pulled, discarded, or otherwise going big for canonical changes have examples going back to the 1970s*, if not even the 1960s** and it's the footnotes that help bring me back from this wonderful digression. I don't recall if that one involves Clara splintering like Scaroth to influence all the Doctors and time and space in even more small universe faff. Can't blame Chibnall for that, thankfully... but Diamanda does mention one discarded idea for Nine that I too am thankful for.

While I can't spend 5 hours writing this reply, noting that it takes much longer to create a 5-hour video, it's suffice to say that any show can be made the way the makers want in terms of characters, visual panache, backing music, story quality, etc, etc. If viewers like it, that's the only goal, no matter if they're catered to or if the show is made solely by what the production team wants and hoping people put their butts in chairs to gawk at it.

I also disagree with Jay on pre-Hartnell Doctors. Ironically, established continuity and confirmation by the producer of "The Brain of Morbius" both outright confirm pre-Hartnell. Yes, a couple of stories prior to "Morbius" do say "the first" or "the earliest', but given how big The Division was, there could be a lot more to the mindwipe that was mentioned as reason for the Doctor not knowing a bigger past. It's not like the show flaffed up its own continuity before 2020 or anything*, **, not to mention "time can be rewritten" so it's not inconceivable that an origin story can be done to death and still feel oddly original, if done right and feels compelling. (For Chibnall's intended epic, moving the galactic goalposts to another dimension as to where the Doctor allegedly came from doesn't feel like convincing re-mystification of the character, though. But pre-Hartnell? Nowhere near as canonically bendystretchy.)

* Some examples include the change of heart quantity from one to two, regeneration limit being introduced, regeneration process altered (from a function requiring the TARDIS, to being an independently/solely biological one), Atlantis having another type of destruction*** that didn't match up or work with the time it was mentioned in 1966, Cybermen retconned into total robot creatures, second console room that wasn't older until a few seconds later said that it was (despite looking less utilitarian with a sheer lack of controls), Daleks retconned into total robot creatures, etc, etc​
** 1969's sixth season closes with a possible series finale by bookending the show by revealing the Doctor's home planet, which invariably had to change the Doctor's motivations from leaving his home planet (in terms of Hartnell's incarnation wanting to return, but Troughton's adamantly not wanting to.) Not to mention, "The Sensorites" uniquely shows both the Doctor and Su-- oh wait, only Susan had powers of telepathy in this one, not the Doctor. Now have fun using headcanon to explain into how she was either rescued/effectively adopted from another planet and she was using the term "grandfather" as a term of endearment (like "professor" 25 years later by Ace, ¡Qué suerte!), or a long-dormant gene reactivated in solely Susan with this ability for all that generic nuclear family stuff that any ol' show can do. Being sci-fi, I'll still embrace the former for having more interesting narrative complexity.​
*** arguably twice


Bonus fun (but it's not 5 hours long):
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I watched that 5 hour video a long long time ago and I thought it was great. Can't remember much of anything from it though.

That Timeless Child twist really annoyed people at the time and I think it was a bad move because of that, but now that it's been a few years and I've let it sink in it a bit... I still hate it.
 
If it's the length that's bothering you, you can think of it as being a series about different topics that's been put together in one video. If you're worried about Jay Exci being a grifter hating on Doctor Who to get clicks, that's not who they are. They're the opposite of that.

If you just hate YouTube critics then whatever. Have fun watching the things you do enjoy watching.
 
If you just hate YouTube critics then whatever. Have fun watching the things you do enjoy watching.

I wouldn't say it's a matter of hate. My preference is that if someone wants me to experience their critique of something, they should write it. There's a bit of gatekeeping there -- if a person can't write a concise and well-reasoned critique, it'll be obvious quickly enough, and I won't waste more than a minute on it.

Not to mention that I have a lot of unread books, unheard audios, and unwatched movies and TV series that I've bought and paid for. I should be spending more of my time on them.
 
I wouldn't say it's a matter of hate.
Yea, 'hate' was probably a stronger word than I should've used there.

Personally I find videos like this entertaining to watch, in the same way I enjoy documentaries. In this case it's less about how Chibnall's era got made and more about relentlessly tearing it down, but I can sit for hours listening to a video analysing a bad movie or an interesting video game. Assuming I've got something else I should be doing on my second screen that doesn't require the language part of my brain.
 
Yeah, I'd much rather watch five episodes of the 13th Doctor than inflict that nonsense upon myself. Come think of it, I might just do that.

The occasional third party YouTube channel reacting to current or old material is one thing (nostalgia if nothing else for the latter, or another perspective for audiences who find value), but there is something to be said for watching it directly and forming their own reactions. That's where forums are funner, because (a) it's more proper interactive for discourse and discussion, (b) it takes less time to write up a post than to blibble out a video, and (c) it lets one more easily use non-words that incessantly fail spellcheckers, for which even the word "spellchecker" at one time was not.
 
The same guy (I think) did a 12 HOUR review of Dr Who from the start. Don't watch in one hit. Or get up early, take breaks, hydrate often. It got really annoying that nearly every episode was the "Best episode EVAR". And his unwavering support for Chibs and RTD2 seems forced at the end.

IMO, in this case, buyer beware.

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Jay Exci and dwfan91 are two completely different people... I think. But I have watched that 12 hour video and I thought it was decent enough.

If I remember right, dwfan91 is a lot more positive, always looking for the bright side. Definitely not so cynical. Though The Reality War kind of crushed their spirit and destroyed their optimism.
 
Jay basically did an academic critique, and it works.
I maintain that the big difference between the TC stuff and other tweaks that occur, particularly in classic Who, is that it consigns a *lot* more stuff into the bin of now not making sense. You could argue that Mawdryn Undead does the same to Brain of Morbius and it’s ’extra Doctors’ but at the same time, thats *only one brief moment in one story, that can be contextualised differently and still make sense*. The TC (and the book of revelation fever dream that is Flux) breaks so much more than just one little bit, and the wider ramifications change entirely the underlying characterisation of the Doctor going back the entire sixty years. It then proceeds to do nothing at all with this, making it a poor exchange.
 
If I'm going to devote 5 hours to something, it needs to have explosions, sex, time travel, or heavy character arcs. If I'm not going to sit down and devote 3.5 hours to an Avatar movie, I am not going to devote 5 hours to watching someone dissect a show I can just watch and dissect myself. If that's what floats your boat, more power to ya.
 
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