"Lineage" - not one of my favorites

[Melakon]

After getting Season 7 a few weeks ago, I finally managed to watch "Lineage" all the way through without turning it off. I remember not caring for it in first run, and it still doesn't do anything for me.

So I'm trying to figure out why. Perhaps it's because I'm not mixed race, perhaps it's because I'm not from a divorced family, or perhaps it's just because I was never a parent. It's just one of the most uninvolving shows I've ever seen.

Is the episode generally considered good? Is its lack of appeal to me simply because there's nothing in it I can relate to?

 

[Pondwater]

Not one of my favorites. I liked it when I was younger because it struck a chord with me at time. I am "mixed" and had parents that were bitterly divorced. Looking back...meh.

After being with Tom for a while, she should have known better that he wasn't the douchebag her father was.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I don't like episodes about people's wahwah past problems and their big emotional breakthroughs. They usually seem lame to me. They usually are lame in Trek. Big stuff, sure.. 7 was assimilated as a child, Bashir had to deal with being genetically altered. That works, it's dramatic and their response is appropriate and we wonder how we would have coped ourselves.

I have to think B'Elanna went a bit insane with hormones to end up with such a plan, though maybe altering your baby's looks in utero is a common thing on some worlds. They might have thought they were exploring her mixed heritage issues but instead they did her a disservice.

 

[Beyerstein]

I think its one of the best episodes of the series. You don't have to a parent, mixed race, or from a divorced family to relate to someone being bullied as a kid just because they're different.

plus all the genetic modification stuff still seems pretty relevant.

 

[Melakon]

You don't have to a parent, mixed race, or from a divorced family to relate to someone being bullied as a kid just because they're different.

I never had much of a problem with bullying as a child. And by the time the episode aired, my childhood days were more than 30 years past.

The genetic modification of the fetus and the ethical questions regarding it should have been the real story, not some unresolved childhood issues Torres had.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Here's the thing though.. B'Elanna thinks she's all resolved and processed now but what do you think the chances are her kid will ever have a pet turtle? I say 0%.

 

[Melakon]

Well, the only answer to that is

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y[/yt]

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

 

[Praetorian]

One of the best for me.

Great acting, great scoring, an intriguing science fiction concept (if you could, would you design your baby?), character development, and an emotional and serious story make this one of my favourites.

And no, I'm not mixed race, wasn't bullied as a kid, my parents are divorced but that thought never crossed my mind while watching the episode.

 

[Beyerstein]

The genetic modification of the fetus and the ethical questions regarding it should have been the real story, not some unresolved childhood issues Torres had.

Then what would have been her motivation for wanting genetic modification?

Maybe unresolved childhood issues play a large role in a lot of people's lives?

 

[Melakon]

Well, like I said, there's nothing within the story as is that's compelling to me. There are plenty of other episodes that I like well enough that others dislike, this just doesn't happen to be one of them. If everyone else thinks it's great, that's fine.

 

[Yanks]

After getting Season 7 a few weeks ago, I finally managed to watch "Lineage" all the way through without turning it off. I remember not caring for it in first run, and it still doesn't do anything for me.

So I'm trying to figure out why. Perhaps it's because I'm not mixed race, perhaps it's because I'm not from a divorced family, or perhaps it's just because I was never a parent. It's just one of the most uninvolving shows I've ever seen.

Is the episode generally considered good? Is its lack of appeal to me simply because there's nothing in it I can relate to?

Perhaps it's just Belanna not acting very Klingon.

That was it for me initially I think.

I watched this ep recently and it does get better with age. Not sure why, but I enjoyed it more this time.

 

[Melakon]

Maybe I just haven't watched it enough times, since I think managing to get through it that day was only the second viewing. Perhaps in another 15 years, I'll either have an appreciation for it or already be dead.

 

[DonIago]

I thought it was a great episode at the time, and imagine I'd consider it a great episode if I was to see it again.

I enjoy seeing more of Torres's backstory, and it makes a lot of sense that she wouldn't want her daughter to go through something she had problems with herself and obviously never fully resolved.

I don't think it's about not trusting Tom, I think it's about losing perspective on the situation.

 

[Yanks]

Maybe I just haven't watched it enough times, since I think managing to get through it that day was only the second viewing. Perhaps in another 15 years, I'll either have an appreciation for it or already be dead.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

This episode makes me cry every time.

That said, I think it's hideous what B'Elanna tries to do.

However, having been picked on as a kid myself I do understand it somewhat. However, it is pretty disgusting what she wanted to do. But the reasons behind it weren't actually selfish, she was just afraid not just for herself but her child too.

 

[Destructor]

This episode makes me cry every time.

Same. There's not a lot of out-and-out emotion on Voyager, or Trek in general, but this episode really gets under the skin of Belanna, and it also gives Tom a great opportunity to actually stand up to her, for once.

 

[jaz'a]

Lineage is one of the episodes I always skip over when rewatching Voyager. I saw it when it first come out and I honestly don't remember what I thought of it. Now, just reading the description is enough to turn me off.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Lineage is a pretty weak episode to me. I was bullied as a kid but didn't find the bullying scenes entirely well written. It didn't quite track with me that in the 24th century we know B'elana would be picked on and hated by her parents for being different, and it certainly would have helped if they justified it more by showing that B'elana was being judged for violently losing her temper, not just for having ridges on her forehead.

And it seemed really silly to me for B'elana to think the solution to this would be to genetically modify her child not to have bumps and thinking this would stop bullying, since 24th century human kids are likely exposed to aliens who look different from the way they're born.

 

[Melakon]

It's also sort of astonishing (well not really, for Star Trek) that B'Elanna didn't remember the time she was split into a Klingon half and a Human half, and the human Torres was the whiniest little mopey useless thing ever seen.

Though Rox rocks at full Klingon.