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Life on Earth

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Are there any novels that deal with ordinary life on Earth or some other planet in the Federation? I know it's a huge and complicated subject to deal with, but exploring the effects of replicators, transporters, large alien populations on Earth etc. on everyday life could be fascinating.
 
Articles of Federation, it's about Federation politics and I never finished it, but it not just starfleet.
 
Yeah, AotF is the only book I know og that deals with life on Earth alot. The Worlds of DS9 books also deal with life on Cardassia, Andor, Trill, Bajor, and Ferenginar.
 
Are there any novels that deal with ordinary life on Earth or some other planet in the Federation? I know it's a huge and complicated subject to deal with, but exploring the effects of replicators, transporters, large alien populations on Earth etc. on everyday life could be fascinating.
Really? Any more so than exploring the effects of microwave ovens, cell phones, and large immigrant populations on everyday life in a current-day community?
 
^But that's what science fiction often does -- portrays things that are routine to the depicted society but still radically different from that of the readers'. For instance, Larry Niven did a whole series of stories about the ramifications of teleportation on society (and predicted the concept of the flash crowd, though the real kind results from cell phones and cars rather than transfer booths), and Bester's The Stars My Destination offered another take on a society where teleportation was routine.

If you wrote a story about the impact of microwaves, cell phones, and increased immigration today, went back in time, and published it in 1960, it would've been hailed as a wildly imaginative work of science fiction. Heck, Veronica Mars would've been science fiction just five years earlier, given how much she relied on cell phones and the Internet for her detective work. I think people tend to underestimate just how amazing and futuristic those things are. We take for granted things that we would've been astounded by a decade ago.
 
Are there any novels that deal with ordinary life on Earth or some other planet in the Federation? I know it's a huge and complicated subject to deal with, but exploring the effects of replicators, transporters, large alien populations on Earth etc. on everyday life could be fascinating.
Really? Any more so than exploring the effects of microwave ovens, cell phones, and large immigrant populations on everyday life in a current-day community?
It is fascinating how much these have changed our ways of life. Maybe I am especially biased because my microwave is broken, though.
 
Yeah, my fingers and my thoughts didn't quite connect there. My challenge of the initial poster's idea was more based on the idea that replicators, transporters, and alien interaction are common, everyday things to the people of the Star Trek universe, and that those things, in and of themselves, would be no more story-worthy than microwaves would be in a contemporary story.

And honestly, I think if you took a contemporary story back in time to 1960, despite some cool inventions, it would be rejected as scifi due to the lack of truly imaginative elements. Imagine John Campbell reaction, reading about a 21st century where the only robot servants around were small disc-shaped vacuum cleaners, and computers were mostly used to have pointless arguments with people around the world...
 
Well, reading a story about a replicator would be about as interesting as reading a story about a microwave, which would be about as interesting as reading a story about an oven.

Actually, a replicator might still be more interesting because it has many more applications than either (the other two are good at precisely one thing, "that is making objects hot"). I could see a short story working even if it revolved principally around replicator technology--the last guy on Earth who eats dead animals and is considered a monster by his neighbors; a kid putting two-and-number-two together about where the bulk matter is coming from; "Mom, I accidentally made a plague." These have probably been covered to death by the people who write nanotech stories, anyway.

But I think the general sentiment is correct. A treatise on a made-up technology is ordinarily only interesting if the technology would work if someone built it based on your specs. However, it's pretty clear that a great many TNG writers thought stories revolving almost entirely around the holodeck worked...

Anyway, the TMP novelization has some life-on-Earth stuff, like a hydroelectric dam on the Straits of Gibraltar (cool, although I have no idea how workable that is, and it would really mess up sea traffic, which I suppose must no longer exist) and love groups or something to that effect (also cool, possibly more workable than a Gibraltar Dam).

One thing I would like to know about (24th C) Earth culture is whether holodecks are widespread enough to be privately owned, or are publicly operated community facilities,* and in any event, if they are amenable to online gaming. We know that real-time communication with holograms is possible. So is there a Halodeck? Can you get in on an online holorgy?

*I suppose a third option is that "they are only available to military personnel." Which would explain why people continue to enlist in spite of the horrific mortality rate.
 
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Yeah, my fingers and my thoughts didn't quite connect there. My challenge of the initial poster's idea was more based on the idea that replicators, transporters, and alien interaction are common, everyday things to the people of the Star Trek universe, and that those things, in and of themselves, would be no more story-worthy than microwaves would be in a contemporary story.

And that's what I disagree with. As I said, many successful SF stories have been about technologies that were considered common, everyday things to the characters in the stories -- but which had transformed the very nature of everyday life and society in ways that made the future culture fascinatingly exotic to the reader. Such as the way universal teleportation ability in The Stars My Destination had completely redefined the idea of privacy. Or look at the movie Gattaca. The use of genetic engineering is perfectly ordinary and routine to that society, but it's that very ubiquity that makes the society so alien and creates the problems that the story explores.

Indeed, a story in which an alien or future culture does not consider its differences from our own to be commonplace would be very awkwardly written and self-conscious indeed. The readers should be impressed and intrigued by those differences, but the characters should take them in stride.


And honestly, I think if you took a contemporary story back in time to 1960, despite some cool inventions, it would be rejected as scifi due to the lack of truly imaginative elements. Imagine John Campbell reaction, reading about a 21st century where the only robot servants around were small disc-shaped vacuum cleaners, and computers were mostly used to have pointless arguments with people around the world...

I think you're greatly underestimating how radically our society has transformed in the past few decades. A world where people all over the planet can communicate instantly with each other? Can access a global computer network that's decentralized and open to any sort of input, as opposed to the monolithic central mainframes that '40s and '50s SF expected to be the future of computing? Can instantly access a repository of all knowledge but have to contend with the risk that the information they're getting may be biased or rewritten at a whim? Can easily get around government censorship, making political oppression and disinformation more difficult? Can easily be misled by widespread rumors and unsourced claims, making other forms of disinformation easier? Can easily bootleg intellectual property, eroding copyright law? Can easily access pornography and shocking fringe content, eroding conventional standards of decency?

As for microwaves, they may seem mundane to us, but they were a significant factor in transforming gender roles. No longer do wives have to slave for hours in the kitchen preparing meals. The responsibility for preparing food has increasingly shifted to industry, with cooking becoming a quicker, simpler task that even bachelors can manage. That change in the logistics of food preparation helped change the role of women and thus helped transform the whole of society (or at least they facilitated a change that was already underway). That's what SF is about -- not just the technology itself, but its consequences to society, culture, values, etc., especially the unexpected and surprising consequences. (And this is one change that most past SF failed to predict. Look at all the '50s predictions of super-advanced computerized households that make for happy, efficient housewives. It never occurred to them that it might help free those women to become something other than housewives. That would've been really science-fictional to readers back then.)

There are so many ways in which modern technology is transforming our society in ways that would've been amazing or disturbing to readers from half a century ago. Just because we don't have humanoid robots (yet) or flying cars or jetpacks doesn't mean our everyday world wouldn't be the stuff of science fiction to people in the past.

(For a vintage story that actually predicted the power of heavily networked personal computers, read Murray Leinster's "A Logic Named Joe" from 1946.)
 
Collision Course by William Shatner and the Reeves-Stevens is set on 23rd century Earth and offers an interesting view of it, at least in my opinion.
 
Just had a idea for a short story. What would be the reaction of a man from 24th century Earth to a total power failure? Trapped in his high rise apartment, NO lights, replicaters, can't even open the doors.
 
Just had a idea for a short story. What would be the reaction of a man from 24th century Earth to a total power failure? Trapped in his high rise apartment, NO lights, replicaters, can't even open the doors.

I'm sure the doors would have a manual override -- assuming that they even bother to put in sliding doors in civilian installments instead of just using push doors like we do today.

And I'm sure that any sensible person would know to keep a refrigerator and stock up on food from the replicator just in case the power goes out.
 
Replicate a few boxes of crackers when the inevitable brownouts come.

I do kind of wonder if any austerity measures had to be taken during the Dominion War. I mean, it's likely that military antimatter expenditure spiked during the war, and out of necessity it might be diverted from civilian use.
 
Why do people conjure such arch scenarios and present them as commonplace in insane Luddite nightmares?

There could be multiple self-repairing fully-independent redundant networks, on-site battery reserves, extra generators, and elbow grease jacks. I'm certain that if the power goes off (which it never does) everybody can walk out of the buildings just fine. That's how I'd build it, anyway.

May not make for juicy headlines, but I'm sure the people whose lives were spared (now there I conjuring death..."or just whose time was spared") wont mind.
 
Just had a idea for a short story. What would be the reaction of a man from 24th century Earth to a total power failure? Trapped in his high rise apartment, NO lights, replicaters, can't even open the doors.

We did see a planet-wide power outage in the DS9 two-parter Homefront and Paradise Lost.
 
Why do people conjure such arch scenarios and present them as commonplace in insane Luddite nightmares?

There could be multiple self-repairing fully-independent redundant networks, on-site battery reserves, extra generators, and elbow grease jacks. I'm certain that if the power goes off (which it never does) everybody can walk out of the buildings just fine. That's how I'd build it, anyway.

May not make for juicy headlines, but I'm sure the people whose lives were spared (now there I conjuring death..."or just whose time was spared") wont mind.

That's the novel I want to read. Nanietta Bacco Makes a Sandwich.
 
Star Trek: Nanietta Bacco Makes a Sandwich
by Keith R.A. DeCandido

IN THE SHINY WORLD OF THE 24th CENTURY...
DO YOU KNOW WHAT SIDE YOUR BREAD IS BUTTERED ON?
 
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