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Let's be honest about the Federation's failings

I mean, honestly, I think Gene wasn't nearly as progressive as he liked to think he was. His depiction of women throughout his life was always incredibly sexist, for instance.
In what way was it more than anything normal at the time? Certainly the sexes were not portrayed completely uniform, but nothing did so at the time.

Yeah, but then he helped bury an early TNG script that featured a same-sex couple. The Klingons of TOS were a thinly-veiled racist stereotype of Asians designed to evoke Fu Manchu and the Yellow Peril iconography, and the TOS movie/TNG Klingon redesign is uncomfortably close to blackface.
Blackface? Because the actors' skin was painted in a darker shade? I find that reaching — that's no more than Andorians having blue skin and Vulcans having Green-ish skin for their copper-based blood.

One can certainly have aliens whose skin color is a certain color, of course.

I'm afraid I don't agree. It's far more common in American television to see women same-sex couples than two men who are married.
Perhaps, but it was already done before, and it was not a risky move on Discovery's part. What Gene did was risky and probably hurt profits; the network even refused his wish for a female second officer. For Discovery, It was a commercial decision that they stood to gain financially from, not an ideological one.

That's not to say it's not a thing -- two men are married in Modern Family, for instance. But it's really common to see same-sex male couples who are depicted as older or somehow unsexualized; one of the things that makes Stamets and Culber unique on American television is that they are still relatively young and still sexual subjects.
Well, this was already something they wanted to do with Garak and Bashir in D.S.9., before Berman-sama ordered a stop to it. I can think of many examples that did this far earlier and also pushed the envelope such as in Orphan Black, which actually dared to come with their views of spectral sexuality and gender identities which risked not only offending the traditional factions, but also many nontraditional factions, actually playing with fire for their ideology.

Also... Not to deny the very real progress that has been made in American society, but I'm afraid LGBT people in the United States are still subject to a level of oppression and persecution I suspect they are not subjected to in Europe. The Pulse massacre was only four years ago.
Perhaps they are, but that is only remotely related to the simple quæstion whether a t.v. series right now takes a financial risk or cut in depicting it — which it does not.

Discovery's portrayal of Stamets and Culber was a financial decision, not an ideological one.

I mean... yeah, but Uhura and LaForge were still coded as African American. Both of them had clear American accents
So did Sulu, so did many characters that were most likely not native speakers of English. I am Dutch, but I have a U.K. accent when I speak English, when one not be a native speaker, one typically pics an accent — I have always read it as that neither were native speakers, but simply learnt English with such an accent, and Uhuru's native language is canonically Swahili.

I do believe that Babylon 5 did this better, with most of the aliens speaking English with an invented accent, and the older they were the stronger the accent was.

and neither of them made reference to any uniquely African cultural background or practice.
Neither did most characters make any such references — Picard rarely made references to France; Kirk never to the United States. It was mostly Chekov and Scotty who seemed to be proud of their homeland to exaggeration.

Honestly most people wouldn't know they're supposed to be from Africa if they haven't looked up the supplementary material.
As it is with most of the characters in most Trek series.

ENT was pretty bad about national diversity -- IIRC, everyone was American or coded as American except Reed.
Sato is Japanese, but yes, Enterprise did not do that to the extent that other series did.

I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of what you said.

I will say though that there are many franchises that are a lot better at this than Star Trek T.O.S. raised the bar for it's time, when all U.S.A. television had little more than American characters; but media such as Deux Ex, Pacific Rim, Orphan Black, and Syakugan no Syana really raise the bar higher. In particular, I was impressed with how in Deus Ex the international characters were often made to not be the stereotype one expects; the Dutch character in Deus Ex for instance seemed to be Caribbean in extraction, which is very realistic for the Netherlands, instead of going the typical route of having a blond Nordic-looking character. I was also a fan of how in Syakugan no Syana the only four characters from the U.S.A. in the series were actually from the indigenous population and I also like how they were diversified in how “stereotypical” they are, with one of them dressing in full traditional indigenous dress, two in European-style clothing but with traditional indigenous-American hair, and one in full European-style dress.
 
They were uncomfortable with the actress being his mistress. That also had something to do with it.

Also, they wanted him to get rid of the pointy ear guy.
Perhaps, but then they could demand another actor, and they were fine with the same actor returning as a nurse.

Wanting to remove Spock might be the largest crow fed to man.

There are quite a few things that the businessman feared, yet became a resounding success, such as Jack Sparrow and Ronon Dex — clearly he underestimates the massive sex appeal that comes with a fine set of dreadlocks.
 
Riiiight. Bryan Fuller and Aaron Harberts are both gay men, but the decision to include a prominent gay couple came from the bean counters and the number crunchers. Uh-huh.:rolleyes:
That they cast actors that are also gay is hardly an argument that it is not a publicity stunt; it's an argument that it is one.

Obviously, any actor can play a gay character and get the message across, casting a gay actor adds nothing to the vision or message and is simply done for marketing reasons and I find it silly.
 
Riiiight. Bryan Fuller and Aaron Harberts are both gay men, but the decision to include a prominent gay couple came from the bean counters and the number crunchers. Uh-huh.:rolleyes:

Not to mention that Fuller has spoken out about regarding receiving hate mail on Voyager over the mere rumour of a gay couple. It's no surprise he'd leap at the chance to do it in a new series.
 
That they cast actors that are also gay is hardly an argument that it is not a publicity stunt; it's an argument that it is one.

Obviously, any actor can play a gay character and get the message across, casting a gay actor adds nothing to the vision or message and is simply done for marketing reasons and I find it silly.
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That they cast actors that are also gay is hardly an argument that it is not a publicity stunt; it's an argument that it is one.

Obviously, any actor can play a gay character and get the message across, casting a gay actor adds nothing to the vision or message and is simply done for marketing reasons and I find it silly.

That is so monumentally full of heterosexist bullshit I'm not even gonna dignify you with any further replies. Edit: And that's before noticing that you tried to claim the Fu Manchu Klingons weren't based on racist stereotypes of Asian people from the "Yellow Peril" era. What a trashcan fire of white ethnocentrism and heterosexism in one post.
 
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