Left Over TNG Scripts

[Terok Nor]

I don't remember "Remember" very well but if I'd liked it I would have remembered it better.

"Barge Of The Dead" was definitely a Worf/DS9 script that was adapted for Voyager. It's not hard to find that information out before accusing people of fabricating things.

 

[TheSubCommander]

Yeah, but there is a HUGE difference between a RECYCLED PLOT from TNG (which is what this thread is originally about; TNG plots becoming Voyager episodes), and a Voyager episode that was inspired by a rejected scene from a DS9 episode, Soldiers of the Empire (the scene, which was not an entire episode plot, wasn't even filmed...it was cut during the writing process). Barge of the Dead was NOT a recycled plot from TNG, at all. A rejected scene of Worf Goes to Klingon Hell from Soldiers of the Empire may or may not have inspired Barge of the Dead, but by the time the concept became a Voyager episode the only things that survived were a) principle character goes to Klingon Hell, B) they meet a loved one there. Everything else, from how they got there, to how it was resolved was completely different. Besides, the idea of Mogh being in Klingon Hell doesn't even make sense, in the first place. He was an honorable Klingon who was betrayed by the Duras family, and died fighting the Romulans.

 

[hux]

A pedant walks into a bar... Well, technically it was a restaurant with a bar. Actually, it was more of a gastro pub.

 

[Stevil2001]

From Memory Alpha concerning Barge of the Dead

• The basic plot line for this episode was originally intended to be seen in DS9: "Soldiers of the Empire". Ronald D. Moore's original idea for the episode was for Worf and the crew of the IKS Rotarran to answer a distress call from a Klingon colony. When they arrive, they find all of the inhabitants missing. Nearby is a lake surrounded in a mysterious fog, and when they approach it, a boatman appears and takes them to the entrance to Gre'thor. Once inside, they meet a friend of Martok's, who wants them to take him with them. And then they meet Worf's father,Mogh. There were a number of reasons that this particular story never made it into production. Firstly, Ira Steven Behr felt that the episode was trying to accomplish too much– showing both the realistic day-to-day operations of a Klingon Bird-of-Prey and a mythic journey to the afterlife. Behr also felt it was too late in the season to do such a philosophical show dealing with life, death and hell. As well as this, the concept proved to be too complex and expensive. After Moore transferred to the Voyager staff following the end of DS9, the basic premise was modified and made to work with Voyager, the end result being this episode. (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)

The DS9 Companion doesn't actually say this. It does describe the story Moore wanted to do for "Soldiers" as above, but there's no mention of the idea being repurposed for Voyager; that just seems to be conjecture on the part of the MA writer who added that tidbit.

 

[Finn]

It's been forever since I've seen the episode, but I'd think K'Ehleyr would be the obvious choice.

Or Jadzia.... They did an episode to make her death honorable...

 

[stardream]

The DS9 Companion doesn't actually say this. It does describe the story Moore wanted to do for "Soldiers" as above, but there's no mention of the idea being repurposed for Voyager; that just seems to be conjecture on the part of the MA writer who added that tidbit.

Interesting. Seems to have taken on a life of it's own. Would like to know what Moore has to say about it.

Just wanted people to know I didn't make up the idea. Someone else did But the two plots seem very similar.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Memory Alpha is not a source, that is not proof. Also there would be some hint of the idea somewhere in Soldier's of the Empire to indicate this. The credit of the Voyager tale was conducted by Bryan Fuller. Moore wasn't on Voyager that long to have any influence on the show or the episode, the writing staff on Voyager were separate from the DS9 writers. As I've mentioned before, Moore's credit in the story helped Bryan Fuller to keep the tale canon to his 24th century Klingon myth. The story and the teleplay is Bryan Fuller's.

 

[DonIago]

At the same time, the credited writer frequently isn't the only person involved in writing an episode.

 

[Who1]

Memory Alpha is not a source, that is not proof. Also there would be some hint of the idea somewhere in Soldier's of the Empire to indicate this. The credit of the Voyager tale was conducted by Bryan Fuller. Moore wasn't on Voyager that long to have any influence on the show or the episode, the writing staff on Voyager were separate from the DS9 writers. As I've mentioned before, Moore's credit in the story helped Bryan Fuller to keep the tale canon to his 24th century Klingon myth. The story and the teleplay is Bryan Fuller's.

You can find what Moore really said about it if you search for the ask Ron Moore archives from his AOL answer sessions back in the day. All I really remember is he had issues with aspects of the episode and clashes with Braga about things like not having enough of a role for Tom in a B'Elanna story and being told it doesn't need to have any consequence on their relationship.

His only sole writing credit on the show was "Survival Instinct," he shares story with Fuller on "Barge..." I believe he left midway through writing it.