Korby's androids

[PCz911]

So, ruk found the almost dead and (presumably heavily frost bitten) korby and he makes a duplicate with an android body.

Ruk was outside? Oh, never mind.

Was dr brown already dead or did he just not get the same high quality duplication?

And I assume that korby created Andrea. Which, if that's the case, he missed his calling and should have been an artist as (sherry Jackson) is absolutely stunning. I assume he created her from scratch as chapel wasn't familiar with anyone by that name...and she sure doesn't look like the old android series (ruk)

 

[ZapBrannigan]

I think Brown must have died back when Korby almost died.

Ruk rescued Korby and transferred his mind into an android. Later, Korby built Andrea and "Brown" for his own benefit.

Kirk thinks that "Dr. Korby was never here," but in-universe I think he was. And he was alone with machines all that time, having only simulated companionship.

 

[PCz911]

I dont get How android brown got dead browns memories?

 

[Metryq]

Kirk thinks that "Dr. Korby was never here," but in-universe I think he was.

I think that was poetic license on Kirk's part. I think he means Korby died long ago and became something else that was not truly Korby. So far as the Enterprise encounter is concerned, "Korby was never here."

 

[Timo]

Also, he's speaking mostly for the benefit of Chapel standing next to him. The poor gal never could overcome her racism against half-machine entities, so it's better to leave her in the belief that Korby did change when becoming a machine.

In all probability he did not, after all. He passed Kirk's "humanity test" of handing over the phaser. He just happened to be a rather ruthless experimenter and might have done pretty much the same things even if still in his human body...

It would seem logical to assume that Korby made progress in his construction of androids. He himself and Brown would still have mechanical parts, but Andrea and the duplicate Kirk would supposedly be more like clones, difficult to recognize for what they are even with an X-ray machine. And Ruk would be something else altogether.

The difference between Andrea and Kirk is the interesting question here. Korby says Andrea is programmed through and through, but Kirk could have undergone a "complete transfer of consciousness" had the process continued further. Was Andrea the copy of an earlier employee, one Christine didn't know about? Or an empty template to experiment with, making the Kirk process a pathfinding one and quite a risk for Korby to take? Clearly, his ideas of complete mind and soul transfer still sound theoretical, and not something he would have done to, say, himself yet.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Forbin]

I imagine Brown survived long enough to be duplicated.

Now I wonder if Korby died naturally after being copied, or if he transferred himself, then disposed of his natural body, just so he could be immortal.

Andrea, of course, is a sex doll, based on an idealized memory of that girl in high school that wouldn't date Kory because he was a nerd. Either that, or the original occupants left a catalog that he picked her out of...

 

[Metryq]

Andrea, of course, is an sex doll, based on an idealized memory that girl in high school that wouldn't date Kory because he was a nerd. Either that, or the original occupants left a catalog that he picked her out of...

Maid to order, eh? (Think Arnold in TOTAL RECALL, "Sleazy...demure.")

That would be a heck of a catalog—along with head shots and a casting director to help one choose. Gives all new meaning to "casting."

 

[Timo]

Well, Planet Mudd worked that way. Not necessarily the doing of the same Ancients, but the connection could be made.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ZapBrannigan]

The difference between Andrea and Kirk is the interesting question here. Korby says Andrea is programmed through and through, but Kirk could have undergone a "complete transfer of consciousness" had the process continued further. Was Andrea the copy of an earlier employee, one Christine didn't know about? Or an empty template to experiment with, making the Kirk process a pathfinding one and quite a risk for Korby to take? Clearly, his ideas of complete mind and soul transfer still sound theoretical, and not something he would have done to, say, himself yet.

But the mind-entity transfer worked on Korby, according to him.

Anyway, I think it's neat that we met three archeologists on TOS, and two of them, Korby and Lester, discovered ancient technology to transfer their minds into another body. What are the odds of that?

Another two, Korby and Crater, found themselves stuck on a barren planet with a compliant sex doll.

Why did Star Trek inspire so many kids to become engineers, when archeologists were getting all the action?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Another two, Korby and Crater, found themselves stuck on a barren planet with a compliant sex doll.

Why did Star Trek inspire so many kids to become engineers, when archeologists were getting all the action?

Kids tend to think of archeologists as boring--much like their view of history in general. They feel its a career of sitting around in dust, graves and musty structures, while the series suggests engineering careers are married to say, working in the exciting field of serving on a starship. Since Trekkers watched various 1701 characters involved in romance and got to race around the universe, who would trade that for being isolated with a nasty, hairy shape-shifter, or a blank-eyed plastic doll?

 

[johnnybear]

Korby or Ruk must have been able to download some of Brown's mind into the android duplicate because he does seem to recognize Christine after she confronts him! But I agree, I think Brown probably died out on the surface before finding the underground caverns! Unless Korby didn't want another android with their own mind in case it challenged him!
Surely though the Exo III team wasn't just Korby and Brown? There must have been others or was it a ship in orbit that didn't dare to go down to the surface for fear of what might happen?
JB

 

[Ronald Held]

Could brown's body be dead or critical damaged but his brain still retained some data?

 

[Grant]

So, ruk found the almost dead and (presumably heavily frost bitten) korby and he makes a duplicate with an android body.

Ruk was outside? Oh, never mind.

Wouldn't it be weird if Ruk had access to something like....sensors.

 

[johnnybear]

Could brown's body be dead or critical damaged but his brain still retained some data?

Yep this is what I thought but maybe they could only take a few memories as the rest had already gone!
JB

 

[Marsden]

Kirk thinks that "Dr. Korby was never here," but in-universe I think he was.

I think that was poetic license on Kirk's part. I think he means Korby died long ago and became something else that was not truly Korby. So far as the Enterprise encounter is concerned, "Korby was never here."

I agree.

Maybe Brown and Korby made it to upper caverns but nowhere near the inhabited areas shown. So Rok found him in the caverns but not near the machinery. They might have done Brown first because he was critical and maybe his poor condition contributed to the Android not being a good copy. Then when it apparently worked, Korby underwent the process. I wonder how similar the process of transference in this planet compares to what Uhura supposedly asks for in "I, Mudd".

 

[erastus25]

Now I wonder if Korby died naturally after being copied, or if he transferred himself, then disposed of his natural body, just so he could be immortal.

Wow... I always interpreted it as the latter. Didn't realize it was up for debate until I opened this thread!

 

[Commander Balok]

Ruk was tending the machinery, so Korby said. That doesn't mean he understood how to operate it. Or maybe he forgot ("How many centuries? Even Ruk doesn't remember.") Probably Korby had to figure some things out. More than likely the machinery required adjustments for the brain circuitry patterns of the mind donor (possibly what Korby was doing when copying Kirk's brain, with the patch panel). It could be that Brown was an imperfect copy because Korby made him first. Why? A charitable view says because Brown was in far worse shape, perhaps kept on life support or frozen (freezing would destroy his cells but possibly preserve the interconnection patterns, i.e. synaptic map). A less charitable view was that Korby wanted to see if his understanding was correct before he tried the process on himself.

I have always wondered what happened to the others like Ruk. Did Father Time get them all, or were they elsewhere, tending other machines?

 

[Metryq]

Anyway, I think it's neat that we met three archeologists on TOS, and two of them, Korby and Lester, discovered ancient technology to transfer their minds into another body. What are the odds of that?

Dr. Boris Balinkoff didn't need any alien technology, or archaeology. He invented mind transfer on his own—and got lots of action, too!

 

[Melakon]

I'm thinking Brown was built second. Perhaps he had none of original Brown's memories at all, and Korby programmed him to be a simple lab technician with no self-awareness. His big speech to Kirk and Chapel through the caves sounds like a prepared biography, there's no emotion behind it at all. He might not have even been aware of Christine until Korby told him to meet them.

Perhaps Brown was built to do simple lab experiments, so that Korby was free to study the equipment and come up with ideas on how to use it. "Well, let's see... I've got a bodyguard, I've got a lackey, I need to build a hot chick."

 

[PCz911]

So, ruk found the almost dead and (presumably heavily frost bitten) korby and he makes a duplicate with an android body.

Ruk was outside? Oh, never mind.

Wouldn't it be weird if Ruk had access to something like....sensors.

True, although none are shown or implied. One would have thought they would use sensors to locate the escaped captain Kirk versus walki g around and using chapels voice.

And , if he's programmed to service the machines and protect, why did he rescue korby?

But I suppose I can give the benefit of the doubt there....

Hiwever I'm still mystified on brown. He was only partially transferred. Poor guy, got the short straw.

And no others from the research group made it?