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KMS BISMARCK - Ship Of The Week #13 2/26/2015

Bismarck

  • Awesome!

    Votes: 11 68.8%
  • Rubbish!

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • Meh...

    Votes: 4 25.0%

  • Total voters
    16

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KRIEGSMARINE SCHLACHTSCHIFF BISMARCK

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Wikipedia said:
Bismarck was the first of two Bismarck-class battleships built forNazi Germany’s Kriegsmarine. Named after Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, the primary force behind the unification of Germany in 1871, the ship was laid down at the Blohm & Voss shipyard in Hamburg in July 1936 and launched two and a half years later in February 1939. Work was completed in August 1940, when she was commissioned into the German fleet. Bismarck and her sister ship Tirpitz were the largest battleships ever built by Germany, and two of the largest built by any European power.
Wikipedia said:
In the course of the warship's eight-month career under its sole commanding officer, Capt. Ernst Lindemann, Bismarck conducted only one offensive operation, in May 1941, codenamed Rheinubung. The ship, along with theheavy cruiser Prinz Eugen was to break into the Atlantic Ocean and raid Allied shipping from North America to Great Britain. The two ships were detected several times off Scandinavia, and British naval units were deployed to block their route. At the Battle of the Denmark Strait, Bismarck engaged and destroyed the battlecruiser HMS Hood, the pride of theRoyal Navy, and forced the battleship HMS Prince of Wales to retreat; Bismarck was hit three times and suffered an oil leak from a ruptured tank.


The destruction of Hood spurred a relentless pursuit by the Royal Navy involving dozens of warships. Two days later, while heading for the relative safety of occupied France, Bismarck was attacked by obsolescent Fairey Swordfish biplane torpedo bombers from the aircraft carrierHMS Ark Royal; one scored a hit that rendered the battleship's steering gear inoperable. In her final battle the following morning, Bismarck was neutralised by a sustained bombardment from a British fleet, wasscuttled by her crew, and sank with heavy loss of life. Most experts agree that the battle damage would have caused her to sink eventually.


Bismarck displaced 41,700 t (41,000 long tons) and 50,300 t (49,500 long tons) fully loaded, with an overall length of 251 m (823 ft 6 in), abeam of 36 m (118 ft 1 in) and a maximumdraft of 9.9 m (32 ft 6 in). She was powered by three Blohm & Voss geared steam turbines and twelve oil-fired Wagner superheated boilers, which developed a total of 150,170 shaft horsepower (111,980 kW) and yielded a maximum speed of 30.01knots (55.58 km/h; 34.53 mph) on speed trials. The ship had a cruising range of 8,870nautical miles (16,430 km; 10,210 mi) at 19 kn (35 km/h; 22 mph). Bismarck was equipped with three FuMO 23 search radar sets, mounted on the forward and sternrangefinders and foretop. The standard crew numbered 103 officers and 1,962 enlisted men.


Bismarck was armed with eight 38 cm (15 in) SK C/34 guns arranged in four twingun turrets; two super-firing turrets forward—"Anton" and "Bruno"—and two aft—"Caesar" and "Dora.” Secondary armament consisted of twelve 15 cm (5.9 in) L/55 guns, sixteen 10.5 cm (4.1 in) L/65 and sixteen 3.7 cm (i.5 in) L/83, and twelve 2 cm (0.79 in) anti-aircraft guns. Bismarck also carried four Arado Ar 196 reconnaissance floatplanes, with a single large hangar and a double-ended catapult.







SINK THE BISMARCK!

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Sink The Bismarck! is the 1960 film starring Kenneth More and Dana Wynter and based on C. S. Forester’s novelized account of the Bismarck’s last days.









“He was proud of that letter…”

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuO4BfnlDY8[/yt]
 
Frankly the British were idiots to send a World War One vintage battlecruiser like Hood, that hadn't even been modernized, against a state-of-the-art heavy battleship like Bismark.

She was too slow and far too lightly armored. And the treaty battleship Prince of Wales, although newer, wasn't much better. Bismark had better speed, guns, and armor. The outcome was a forgone conclusion.

The only Allied battleships that could have taken Bismark, or her sister ship Tirpitz, in a one-on-one fight were HMS Vanguard or one of the American Iowa class ships.

No doubt about it, the Bismark was awesome!
 
To be fair, Bismarck was not "state of the art". Too much of the design was based on late WW1 designs. The Guns were powerful and the armor scheme was somewhat outdated, but heavier than Hoods by quite a bit.

Her AA suite, in particular, was inadequate for the era, which is mainly why she was destroyed. The Swordfish torpedo planes didn't sink her, but did stop her from reaching France and safety...
 
I really liked that movie when I was a kid, I was always hoping it would show up on TV. I especially rooted for the plucky Stringbags and was happy to see the big German go down.

Frankly the British were idiots to send a World War One vintage battlecruiser like Hood, that hadn't even been modernized, against a state-of-the-art heavy battleship like Bismark.

She was too slow and far too lightly armored. And the treaty battleship Prince of Wales, although newer, wasn't much better. Bismark had better speed, guns, and armor. The outcome was a forgone conclusion.

Well, true, but the decision on Hood had effectively been made long before. You don't keep a hugely expensive capital ship and man it with 1400 sailors to not use it in the war. The "habit of victory" and all that. She wasn't operating alone, and if a few lucky breaks had gone Hood's way she could have survived the encounter, but yeah, a mis-match.

The only Allied battleships that could have taken Bismark, or her sister ship Tirpitz, in a one-on-one fight were HMS Vanguard or one of the American Iowa class ships.

No way to know for sure, of course, but I think a 9x16" North Carolina would be a pretty even match and a South Dakota would probably have the edge. Of course a one-on-one fight would mean a complete failure of US or British tactics.

Her AA suite, in particular, was inadequate for the era, which is mainly why she was destroyed. The Swordfish torpedo planes didn't sink her, but did stop her from reaching France and safety...

Though the RN's and USN's early AA outfits also had teething problems and were inadequate by later war standards. But a battleship versus a force with carrier air was not going to make it on AA alone, no matter how good. It needs its own carrier support.

I vote "meh." A technically strong design, but part of an unsound strategy, a battleship without a battle fleet (or even squadron), that spent her life on the run before the inevitable.
 
Well Hood was a Battlecuriser not a Battleship, but I believe that she was scheduled to undergo some retrofitting but flying the flag missions delayed them as well as the outbreak of the war. But the age of the battleship was dying at the start of WWII. As noted above it was an obsolete WWI era biplane that dealt the crippling blow to her rudder allowing the British fleet to catch up. Remember only a few months early the British did a raid using the very same obsolete planes on the Italain fleet at Harbour in Taranto
 
But the age of the battleship was dying at the start of WWII.

Yes, though not as much for Britain as for the US and Japan. Germany and Italy not having carriers in their fleets, the Fleet Air Arm could be effective just scouting, shadowing and delaying enemies for the big guns to finish off. Or as Churchill put it in 1941, he saw the carrier as the "wife" to the battleship, delivering the "meal" for it to eat!

As noted above it was an obsolete WWI era biplane that dealt the crippling blow to her rudder allowing the British fleet to catch up. Remember only a few months early the British did a raid using the very same obsolete planes on the Italain fleet at Harbour in Taranto.

Obsolescent, yes, obsolete, no, and in fact the Swordfish was in service through the entire war. They could operate from a carrier (or even be catapulted!) with a three-quarter ton torpedo, which no WW1 aircraft could have dreamed of doing, and their lift gave them STOL capabilities useful for escort carriers and MACs. The convoluted and compromised nature of RN aircraft development didn't produce a successor that could fully replace the Swordfish, so the archaic-looking early '30s design was one of the last (or the last?) biplanes to see combat.
 
A showpiece of one of the most despised evil murderous governments ever to rise on this world, the Bismark was sent to where it deserved to be, to the bottom of the ocean.

Good riddance.

:)
 
Blame the technology - blame the tool...

No, the ship is not at fault for the failings of a corrupt and evil regime. The atomic bomb didn't kill hundreds of thousands of people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki because IT wanted too. A gun doesn't kill a kid or a cop because it's evil. It's always people that make the choice to use the tool for right or wrong.

The Bismarck was just a ship, one that carried guns and was intended for war but, it didn't make the choice to be sent to battle, Hitler's government did that.
 
"He" had one last little ride. After rolling over and losing the turrets, the ship slid down an undersea mountain, or so I recall.
 
Based on the guns and armor the two ships had...Hood could have done the same to Bismarck as Bismarck did to Hood. Both has the same size guns and same number of guns. They both had the same problem with not having enough deck armor for modern long range engagements. While Hood's deck armor is thinner, Bismarck's is not proof against 15 inch guns from Hood either. This fact was lost on the British who later closed in to batter Bismarck with HMS King George V and HMS Rodney. Bismarck was designed to fight a World War One style engagement in the North Sea. A relatively close Jutland style engagement. The British let that happen when the final engagement happened.

But the first engagement? HMS Prince of Wales mission killed Bismarck at long range with a shell or two into the bow area. This caused a leak they could not fix and she lost too much fuel and was forced to abort her mission. HMS Hood's fire control system (on the top of the control tower) was blown off with the first hit, making it very difficult to engage Bismarck in return (forcing the British ships to close in). However without that hit, Hood could just as easily hit Bismarck. One hit in the wrong place, and Bismarck blows up. The fight was roughly even even with Prince of Wales having troubles. She would be a easy match for the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen. Hood may have been old, but she is basically the first Fast Battleship. She was heavily armored for a battlecruiser. Heavier than some battleships of the time. She as faster than anything at that time. Her age did slow her down a few knots by 1941.
 
Whilst the Bismark and her sister ship the Tirptiz had little direct effect on WWII, they did cause the allies to expend a lot of resources to sink them.
 
Whilst the Bismark and her sister ship the Tirptiz had little direct effect on WWII, they did cause the allies to expend a lot of resources to sink them.

Yes indeed, though it would have been even worse for the Allies if that German money, materiel and manpower had been devoted to U-boats.
 
Based on the guns and armor the two ships had...Hood could have done the same to Bismarck as Bismarck did to Hood.

Here is a thought experiment.

Bismark somehow disappears after the swordfish jams her rudder (Philidelphia experiment style--woo, I know)

And is replaced by Yamato.

Just how much trouble does the Royal Navy have now?
 
Yamato was the most advanced battleship ever made, hull shape, the almost maniacal amount of armor plating and the largest guns ever used on a battleship.

But the best battleship ever was HMS Warspite, end of discussion, no other battleship fought more and fought harder and she fought in and survived 2 wars and a Fritz-X guided bomb which sank a modern Italian Littorio class battleship.
On top of that she made one of the longest distance hits againts another battleship firing her 15" guns 24 km's far.
No ship compares, she even refused to die on the way to the breakers, she broke loose and ran aground.
 
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