Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

[DavidLeeRoth]

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If they want to side-step the whole augment virus thing, fine, but the Klingons in the new movie don't resemble Klingons at all, from any movie or TV series. If it wasn't said that they were Klingons, I wouldn't have known that they were. Was there a period in Klingon history where a Volcano erupted on Qo'nos and the population was severely burned? Their heads have a cube-like shape and no ridges in this movie. What's up with that?

 

[Beagleman]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

Um, they look like completely normal Klingons...

 

[DavidLeeRoth]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

He doesn't look anything like a Klingon.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

Looked like Klingons to me, if anything they look better on screen than the screenshot that was released before showed. The ridges look a little sharper and detailed and the head has a slight angle to it at certain spots. It makes it look less like a latex piece and more like an actual head.

 

[DavidLeeRoth]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

He looks more like Darth Maul than a Klingon. The head has a cube-like shape, that thing running down the head doesn't resemble a ridge, the whole head looks like it was dunked in BBQ sauce and put on the grill and he doesn't have any hair.

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That's what a Klingon should look like.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

Did you actually watch the movie? There were ridges and anyone with functioning eyes could see them.

 

[IndyJones]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

...and he doesn't have any hair.

Neither does my Dad, doesn't mean there aren't humans *with* hair.

 

[DavidLeeRoth]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

Did you actually watch the movie? There were ridges and anyone with functioning eyes could see them.

Yup, I saw it and my eyes work just fine. I enjoyed the film, but I just didn't think that he looked like a Klingon.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

I wouldn't use Worf as an example. His makeup changed many times over the course of TNG, DS9 and the movies.


TNG S1:

TNG S3:

TNG S6:

DS9 S4:

DS9 S6:

This doesn't even count the movies. So Worf's appearance is different, as is his appearance compared to the Klingons from the Trek movies.

In any case, none of them look like Kryten, so you are mistaken. The Klingons in STXII have clearly defined ridges. It was very easy to see in the movie.

 

[Starbreaker]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

Just do a search for bald Klingon...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

So no QuchHa' then?

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

This doesn't even count the movies. So Worf's appearance is different, as is his appearance compared to the Klingons from the Trek movies.

Maybe we need someone to explain why Worf's ridges changed over time, perhaps because of some imuno-agumento-cyber-bio-skeletal-puncuto-flavo-virus... instead of just brush it off as a simple budget/make-up issue.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

This doesn't even count the movies. So Worf's appearance is different, as is his appearance compared to the Klingons from the Trek movies.

Maybe we need someone to explain why Worf's ridges changed over time, perhaps because of some imuno-agumento-cyber-bio-skeletal-puncuto-flavo-virus... instead of just brush it off as a simple budget/make-up issue.

My point is simply that there is no such thing as a 100% standard Klingon, and that using one particular Klingon, like Worf, as the standard of an example, is a poor idea and easily dismissed as inaccurate.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

They look like Klingons by way of Uruk-Hai.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

Worf, as the standard of an example, is a poor idea and easily dismissed as inaccurate.

Agreed.

Martok is the standard. All others are wannabes.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

This dude here doesn't look much like Worf either. Doesn't even have hair and don't get me started on them ridges. Klingon my ass

 

[Amaris]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

They look like Klingons by way of Uruk-Hai.

Not seeing it:

 

[DavidLeeRoth]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

I wouldn't use Worf as an example. His makeup changed many times over the course of TNG, DS9 and the movies.


TNG S1:

TNG S3:

TNG S6:

DS9 S4:

DS9 S6:

This doesn't even count the movies. So Worf's appearance is different, as is his appearance compared to the Klingons from the Trek movies.

In any case, none of them look like Kryten, so you are mistaken. The Klingons in STXII have clearly defined ridges. It was very easy to see in the movie.

The ridges changed over time, but that could be how Klingons naturally age, idk. But Worf still looked like a Klingon, from season to season. All of the Klingons from the 80s/90s have a distinct look. I can't think of a single Klingon from TNG/DS9/Voy that looks like a burned marshmallow the way the one from ID looks. Yes, Chang was bald, but he still looked like a Klingon. Not to be a contrarian, but the Klingon from ID just doesn't look like a Klingon to me.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

IIRC, Christopher Plummer himself asked for his Klingon makeup to be 'reduced' a bit. You might almost think that Chang was a QuchHa'.

That being said, I think Chang AND the Klingon from STID look just as Klingon as any other one we've seen.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

The ridges changed over time, but that could be how Klingons naturally age, idk. But Worf still looked like a Klingon, from season to season. All of the Klingons from the 80s/90s have a distinct look. I can't think of a single Klingon from TNG/DS9/Voy that looks like a burned marshmallow the way the one from ID looks. Yes, Chang was bald, but he still looked like a Klingon. Not to be a contrarian, but the Klingon from ID just doesn't look like a Klingon to me.

Well, that's your opinion, and that's fine, but to me, they're all Klingons, and they all look like Klingons, and more importantly, they are all Klingons. Also, the picture from your first post, that's not the Klingon Uhura speaks to when she confronts them. When you see him, the forehead ridges are very obvious.

Which I do have to ask, if you can make allowances for age when gauging appearance, why can't you allow for environment, time, modification, or anything else for these particular Klingons? I mean, if a Klingon's ridges can change as they age, maybe when they're younger the ridges are more fine? Maybe less structured? Certainly that's plausible in this scenario as well.

IIRC, Christopher Plummer himself asked for his Klingon makeup to be 'reduced' a bit. You might almost think that Chang was a QuchHa'.

That being said, I think Chang AND the Klingon from STID look just as Klingon as any other one we've seen.

Yep.