Just started watching as of the pilot...

[hxclespaulplayer]

This is interesting. The actual situation of Voyager is shown by way of Dilithium shortage, replicator rations, but not in a dire BSG way (which apparently some fans believe VOY should have been more like) which would have had me tuning out. It actually feels like quality. It's amazing to compare this to post-s3 eps, where IMO, Seven just seems to dominate virtually any scene she happens to be in. Neelix is a bit annoying at this stage, but hey, the show is just finding its feet. I'm pretty sure that some shaking-up, i.e Borg, was ineviatable, but it just seems like a quality start for a series only starting to find its feet.

 

[anais]

Caretaker was a well crafted pilot. The way I see it, it took Voyager maybe a season and a half to find it's space legs. The second half of the season 2 is really very good.

I like both BSG and Voyager, love their differences. I think there is room in the world for more than one take at being lost in space (or going home, or on the run or whatever).

 

[kipron]

I like both BSG and Voyager, love their differences. I think there is room in the world for more than one take at being lost in space (or going home, or on the run or whatever).

I wholeheartedly agree.

In fact, we probably wouldn't even have nBSG if Voyager hadn't turned out exactly the way it did.

 

[erastus25]

This is interesting. The actual situation of Voyager is shown by way of Dilithium shortage, replicator rations, but not in a dire BSG way (which apparently some fans believe VOY should have been more like) which would have had me tuning out. It actually feels like quality. It's amazing to compare this to post-s3 eps, where IMO, Seven just seems to dominate virtually any scene she happens to be in. Neelix is a bit annoying at this stage, but hey, the show is just finding its feet. I'm pretty sure that some shaking-up, i.e Borg, was ineviatable, but it just seems like a quality start for a series only starting to find its feet.

I'm watching it from the start as well (Just watched the Cloud today) and I agree with much of what you say. I really like how the distance from home has an obvious effect on the crew early on. And the lack of Seven is quite refreshing - at times I thought she was the only character on the whole damn show when she first came aboard.

 

[Captain Proton]

the lack of Seven is quite refreshing - at times I thought she was the only character on the whole damn show when she first came aboard.

I agree the last couple of seasons was very Seven-heavy but that made for some great episodes...I think it would have been cool to have Seven from the start but maybe have her really young at first, maybe a Tween Seven that would learn from Kes....Kind of like Icheb but in a cat suit.

 

[speed_cochrane]

I personally didn't mind Seven--I thought she was an interesting character although she did seem to dominate a fair amount of episodes. I suppose that's what happens when a character is introduced halfway through a series. There's only so much time for development so they chose to condense it into three, four episodes at a time all back-to-back.

And I didn't like the first two seasons too much even though I agree that they did a good job starting out the series. It was pretty well thought-out. Just wasn't my cup of tea, storyline wise. (Hated the Kazon)

 

[Cyke101]

This is interesting. The actual situation of Voyager is shown by way of Dilithium shortage, replicator rations, but not in a dire BSG way (which apparently some fans believe VOY should have been more like) which would have had me tuning out.

I can't speak for all fans who disliked Voyager, but I think this point has less to do with damage and more about consistency and consequence. It's good to see our heroes struggle, or else a show gets boring, and Trek was great at depicting struggle (the annual "O'Brien Must Suffer" episodes, for example). Voyager could have benefitted from depicting a tighter sense of continuity. We saw hints of this in Enterprise, when the NX-01 gets hit by a Romulan mine in one episode, forcing them to go to an alien space station the next episode for repairs, even though both episodes are stand-alones. TNG had Best of Both Worlds Part II and THEN Family, depicting the consequences of a major story, even though Family isn't really part of the Borg story.

I, like a lot of people, found it oddly unbelievable that Voyager would suffer catastrophic systems failures and massive hull breaches in one episode from a calamity or major battle, and be completely spic and span and vaccuumed and polished the next week.

 

[kimc]

I, like a lot of people, found it oddly unbelievable that Voyager would suffer catastrophic systems failures and massive hull breaches in one episode from a calamity or major battle, and be completely spic and span and vaccuumed and polished the next week.

I guess we were supposed to believe that since Voyager could set down on a planet anytime they made stops for repairs. Still, there was some story potential that went untapped, imo. What if they couldn't find all the resources they needed or ran into aliens, etc. Any planet-side adventure could have happened while planetside, alien cultures could have been explored, etc.

 

[Cyke101]

I, like a lot of people, found it oddly unbelievable that Voyager would suffer catastrophic systems failures and massive hull breaches in one episode from a calamity or major battle, and be completely spic and span and vaccuumed and polished the next week.

I guess we were supposed to believe that since Voyager could set down on a planet anytime they made stops for repairs. Still, there was some story potential that went untapped, imo. What if they couldn't find all the resources they needed or ran into aliens, etc. Any planet-side adventure could have happened while planetside, alien cultures could have been explored, etc.

Agreed. Heck, whenever Voyager did make pit stops and tried to barter deals with other cultures, those were halfway decent episodes for the most part (imo).