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I'm not sure it was related to physical activity- their dose seemed to be enough to help them through whatever they were doing, shrouding etc.
I think what was best for them- what they needed for optimal performance- was a vial daily, but they could survive (albeit with withdrawal symptoms) with... I think once about 7 split one tube a day for a couple of days, but thats not good, they can't shroud etc. It was never stated, I don't think, but it was always "we have enough for [ ] days, not for so many of any other unit, and that seemed based on the number of vials... thats my best guess. The way we could have extrapolated, from "The Abandoned" when Bashir had one soldier, and we could see the number of vials, but he never went further so as to tell us- ie: how much were in vials, or "we have only enough for [time] after we'll need to sneak into the Dominion and steal some for him."
I think what was best for them- what they needed for optimal performance- was a vial daily, but they could survive (albeit with withdrawal symptoms) with... I think once about 7 split one tube a day for a couple of days, but thats not good, they can't shroud etc. It was never stated, I don't think, but it was always "we have enough for [ ] days, not for so many of any other unit, and that seemed based on the number of vials... thats my best guess. The way we could have extrapolated, from "The Abandoned" when Bashir had one soldier, and we could see the number of vials, but he never went further so as to tell us- ie: how much were in vials, or "we have only enough for [time] after we'll need to sneak into the Dominion and steal some for him."
^ Shouldn't.
Because I'm pretty sure that in Hippocratic Oath, the Jem'Hadar were suffering (intentionally) from withdrawal within a matter of hours to the point of almost falling when touched, got some, had vials left, and yet it would run out the next couple of days which was a big deal.
Goron'agar said he had enough White to last 5 days, so that means the ordeal of the episode took 4 days, since when they left the supply would run out the next day. And if in that time they had run out, needed fresh vials, and had vials left... then I'd say... a vial probably lasts... max 2 days? But by the sound of things daily- though whats a "day"...
A vial can be rationed, but with side-effects.
Does that make any sense? I'm kindof deducing...
Because I'm pretty sure that in Hippocratic Oath, the Jem'Hadar were suffering (intentionally) from withdrawal within a matter of hours to the point of almost falling when touched, got some, had vials left, and yet it would run out the next couple of days which was a big deal.
Goron'agar said he had enough White to last 5 days, so that means the ordeal of the episode took 4 days, since when they left the supply would run out the next day. And if in that time they had run out, needed fresh vials, and had vials left... then I'd say... a vial probably lasts... max 2 days? But by the sound of things daily- though whats a "day"...
A vial can be rationed, but with side-effects.
Does that make any sense? I'm kindof deducing...
Also, it might be that Goran'agar didn't have access to standard vials when setting up his little expedition, and was only able to provide his crew some already half- or 3/4-used ones. That is, the Dominion deliberately wouldn't equip his ship with any spares, so he would have to remain within a 20-day range of bases - but he defied that, and spent 15 days reaching the planet, meaning that he had five days to make his plan work or then die in the hands of his crazed crew.
Timo Saloniemi
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Thats one thing I've always wondered about- how much White do Dominion ships carry. Remember in... the episode before Rocks and Shoals, they had containers (more than one I'm reasonably sure) and they must've been kinda big as they were in the cargo bay- and that was one of those small run-of-the-mill warships. I don't think we're ever told... I guess it must depend, as you say, on how far they're supposed to be going, as the White is supposed to be a leash of sorts.
And Hermiod- I think you're thinking of To the Death, when Via'kara (sp) tells Dax that Jem'Hadar don't eat, sleep, "relax" or require sexual reproduction. And as she says "You people are no fun at all." LOL
But it does appear that they need new vials every day or two, I'd say no more than... 48 of our hours, best guess.
And Hermiod- I think you're thinking of To the Death, when Via'kara (sp) tells Dax that Jem'Hadar don't eat, sleep, "relax" or require sexual reproduction. And as she says "You people are no fun at all." LOL
But it does appear that they need new vials every day or two, I'd say no more than... 48 of our hours, best guess.
Umm, yeah, that ship was the one that Sisko had captured in "The Ship". Probably not quite run-of-the-mill, as she had carried a Founder. Perhaps the Founder had been there to protect a massive White shipment, or perhaps an abnormal amount of White would be there to ensure the safety of the Founder no matter what, by keeping its personal guard alive maximally long.
Yes, I know, Sisko couldn't really pretend that his ship was that particular ship, because the Dominion knew what had happened to that one. But the ship might still have carried some sort of a special "VIP pass" that allowed her to load up unusually large amounts of White at the appropriate facilities...
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^ Thats certainly possible, especially if the mission was long, or had the potential to result in crashed ships.
But wasn't there a ship in line ahead of them when they went to pick up the white? Mind you, naturally there was probably more than one ship running around with a Founder on it so that doesn't mean anything. But I figured that they'd be equally paranoid and might scan the ship... and see there were no Jem'Hadar... but impossible to say from what we're given.
Still, I find your idea that some ships could take on large amounts to be interesting... there is something in the back of my mind, just out of reach...
Speaking of this- given what were probably 100s of Jem'Hadar on "Terok Nor" does anyone else find it odd that Weyoun personally had to give the soldiers White? The time they needed it seemed to be staggered, but still, it seems very jerk-ish... not that I'm surprised.
I found a quote that I believe is from an interview Marco Palmieri did when the relaunch started... I think he did it for psiphi.org, which says in part:
"... Ketrecel white isn't really an addictive drug. It's the delivery system for a crucial enzyme the Jem'Hadar need to survive, deprivation of which has painful and lethal side effects. The Jem'Hadar are dependent on White, not addicted to to it. The distinction may seem subtle, but it isn't. (After all, humans are dependent upon air, but they're not addicted to it.) ... [7/5/00]"
But wasn't there a ship in line ahead of them when they went to pick up the white? Mind you, naturally there was probably more than one ship running around with a Founder on it so that doesn't mean anything. But I figured that they'd be equally paranoid and might scan the ship... and see there were no Jem'Hadar... but impossible to say from what we're given.
Still, I find your idea that some ships could take on large amounts to be interesting... there is something in the back of my mind, just out of reach...
Speaking of this- given what were probably 100s of Jem'Hadar on "Terok Nor" does anyone else find it odd that Weyoun personally had to give the soldiers White? The time they needed it seemed to be staggered, but still, it seems very jerk-ish... not that I'm surprised.
I found a quote that I believe is from an interview Marco Palmieri did when the relaunch started... I think he did it for psiphi.org, which says in part:
"... Ketrecel white isn't really an addictive drug. It's the delivery system for a crucial enzyme the Jem'Hadar need to survive, deprivation of which has painful and lethal side effects. The Jem'Hadar are dependent on White, not addicted to to it. The distinction may seem subtle, but it isn't. (After all, humans are dependent upon air, but they're not addicted to it.) ... [7/5/00]"
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Weyoun was the only Vorta around, and his responsibility is the Jem' Hadar. Vorta don't pair up on duty assignments, apparently, so regardless of his rank, or stature, it was his duty.
Do we know for sure that he was the only Vorta there? And how could that be possible? Are the Vorta indeed that rare, when any random Jem'Hadar bugship seems to have one aboard?
In fact, in "Rocks and Shoals", when the Dominion wants to send 400 "facilitators" down to Bajor to provide "technological assistance", Jake Sisko claims that these people will be "a group of Vorta", and Kira confirms that they aren't going to be Jem'Hadar. So either there were 400 other Vorta there, or then at least some Vorta so that Jake would be partially right and Kira wouldn't argue those semantics (which she would otherwise want to do). I wonder what species the other facilitators would represent, if not Vorta...
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In fact, in "Rocks and Shoals", when the Dominion wants to send 400 "facilitators" down to Bajor to provide "technological assistance", Jake Sisko claims that these people will be "a group of Vorta", and Kira confirms that they aren't going to be Jem'Hadar. So either there were 400 other Vorta there, or then at least some Vorta so that Jake would be partially right and Kira wouldn't argue those semantics (which she would otherwise want to do). I wonder what species the other facilitators would represent, if not Vorta...
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