Just exactly how loyal are the Vorta to their founders?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by at Quark's, Jul 8, 2018.

  1. at Quark's

    at Quark's Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    On the one hand, they really believe the Founders are gods, and don't hesitate to execute any order by them, no matter how appalling (genocide for example). We also see Weyoun 6, who sacrifices his own life to save that of Odo, whom he believes to be a god (and admittedly for the future of the Dominion).

    On the other hand, some Vorta do not seem above twisting the situation a bit to suit their own ends, [SIZE=4][COLOR=rgb(20, 20, 20)]even if it that results in a suboptimal solution for the sake of the Dominion (for example wasting Jem;'Hadar in useless attacks and agreeing to give Starfleet important information so that he can spend the rest of the war in a comfy Federation cell). Weyoun 7 agrees to keep silent towards the female founder about trying to simply shoot the shuttle that carries Odo and Weyoun 6. Weyoun 7 (I think) looks distinctly less than happy when the female founder discusses with the breen she would terminate him if only the clone facilities are operational, and he looks like he could be induced to take steps to prevent that from happening.

    So, just how loyal are they, exactly? And how much do the Founders care about it/ trust their Vorta administrators?[/COLOR][/SIZE]
     
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  2. kkt

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    There's clearly variation from one individual Vorta to another. Keevan was an outlier on the disloyal side - although he was in a situation of more stress than most Vorta will face, running out of white and no communications. It does seem like part of their training to kill their Jem Hadar if they are going to run out of white, rather than wait for them to go berserk. Keevan sending his Jem Hadar on a suicide attack was just a way to kill them, as he didn't have poisoned white available to give them. (I call him an outlier on the disloyal side not for ordering the suicide attack, but for not committing suicide himself at the same time, thus making himself available for Starfleet Intelligence for debriefing.)

    The Founders seem to look at both the Jem Hadar and the Vorta as useful solids, but feel no regret if they have to be killed in their service.
     
  3. Abi Smith

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    The Vorta are the administrators of the Dominion; diplomats, clergy, civil servants etc their loyalty is not one of drug dependency or bought through privileges or power but of religious devotion.
    Do people lose faith? Definetly. Especially when they witness their gods acting in particular ungodlike ways.
     
  4. at Quark's

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    People (i.e. real-world humans), yes. But in the case of Vorta, that belief has been hardcoded into their genetic makeup (don't ask me how), losing their faith might be harder for them.
     
  5. XCV330

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    There is a dystopian "biopunk" novel called The Windup Girl where the title character, a genetically altered plaything that's been discarded and put into a terrible situation, has loyalty and obedience built into her genome. Dhe hates the degradations and pain she's put through and longs for escape but she puts up with it. She later discovers her creators used the genetic factors from a dog to keep her that way. There is no way for that to be fixed.

    I see the Vorta as kind of like that. If you cant change your basic self, might as well play the part and just keep on believing.
     
    Right on Q and kkt like this.
  6. Abi Smith

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    Faith; the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen.
     
  7. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Vorta have loyalty to the Founders, as a concept, but they have a selfishness in their interpretation of loyalty that Gem Hadar do not have.
     
  8. Voth commando1

    Voth commando1 Commodore Commodore

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    The Vorta aren't entirely without a sense of self preservation-religious devotion and obedience is encoded into them but their self preservation occasionally overpowers or at least counterbalances their loyalty to the founders.
     
  9. Kytee

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    The genetic coding for loyalty is not infailable , I recall one of the vorta saying that's why the white exists . We also saw jemhadar revolt in the Iconian gate way episode .

    I always figured vorta and jemhadar had the same genetic coding ; they added the white for jemhadar but the Vorta just got the better job instead
     
  10. feral.cherub

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    I believe they were loyal to the Founders in a deeply devotional sense, but something always seemed off kilter and disengenous about it.

    The one Jem'hadar was able to free himself from the white and they were even harder wired than the Vorta. I always imagined the Vorta as a species to have some secret treachery up their sleeves. They were definitely opportunistic, so I could see a strong potential to rebel by whatever means necessary, including treachery when it would be less likely to fall back on their own heads. They would sell each other out without a doubt and would always have two things handy: an alibi and a scapegoat.