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Journey To Babel

Patrick O'Brien

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I just watched D.C. Fontana's exciting episode Journey to Babel. I think many would agree it is one of the best TOS episodes. I was wondering if anyone knows what race the little people covered in gold are?
 
Journey to Babel is my favorite episode of TOS. :techman:

As for the gold skinned aliens - it was purposed for them to appear in an episode of ENT's fourth season with the name Ithenite. However, it proved too expensive to have them appear on screen. The name, however, was stated in an episode of ENT's third season - in which it was said that they joined the Federation at least sometime before the 26th century.
 
this identification of the aliens as possibly non-canonical. However, there isn't really any reason to doubt that this was the intention during development of ENT, based on this info.

To be canonical, they would have had to be called Ithenites onscreen. They were unnamed in TOS, and name-dropped but not seen in ENT. But none of the background aliens of TMP or ST IV were named onscreen either, but Memory Alpha accepts that official production notes can be acceptable.
 
this identification of the aliens as possibly non-canonical. However, there isn't really any reason to doubt that this was the intention during development of ENT, based on this info.

To be canonical, they would have had to be called Ithenites onscreen. They were unnamed in TOS, and name-dropped but not seen in ENT. But none of the background aliens of TMP or ST IV were named onscreen either, but Memory Alpha accepts that official production notes can be acceptable.

I agree. They just didn't come out and say it was non-canonical on the talk page, and instead just leave the issue hanging.

It seems to me that the reason the article exists at all relates to the following, described at http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Memory_Alpha:Canon_policy#Production_and_reference_materials:
The only exception to the exclusion of production or reference material not seen on-screen from the main body of an article is for naming items or people that were seen on-screen but not referred to by name. For example, names such as Livingston and Neural were not mentioned on-screen, but are derived from production sources. The primary reason for this is to avoid creating a large number of "unnamed" subject pages when an official name already exists. In the event that any of this information contradicts on-screen information, however, then the information stated on-screen will take precedence.
 
Believe it or not, if there had only been one Shran episode of ENT, his name would never have been officially canonical. Only the Andorians Keval and Tholos get named onscreen. Shran and the silent Thon are only named in the Characters list of the script of "The Andorian Incident".
 
Journey to Babel is my favorite episode of TOS. :techman:

As for the gold skinned aliens - it was purposed for them to appear in an episode of ENT's fourth season with the name Ithenite. However, it proved too expensive to have them appear on screen. The name, however, was stated in an episode of ENT's third season - in which it was said that they joined the Federation at least sometime before the 26th century.

Thanks Admiral Shran:bolian: Ithenite it is. Too bad they never appeared in Enterprise, that would have been cool.
 
I just watched D.C. Fontana's exciting episode Journey to Babel. I think many would agree it is one of the best TOS episodes. I was wondering if anyone knows what race the little people covered in gold are?
I never knew if they had a name. I just figured that in movies and TV, any diverse group of alien or exotic-looking people has to include a dwarf or two.
 
I call the the "Federation Munchkins". JTB has got to be on just about anybody's top ten list. Maybe even top five.

Hey, it's got the James T Kirk patented "Flying Butt Block".
 
I call the the "Federation Munchkins". JTB has got to be on just about anybody's top ten list. Maybe even top five.

Hey, it's got the James T Kirk patented "Flying Butt Block".

:guffaw:Kirk had all the moves! Is their a running list of Favorite TOS episodes on this forum?
 
The old Stardate magazine, companion to FASA's '80's RPG, had an article about these guys and called them the "Dayen". Their color was attributed to the high concentration of metallic salts in their homeworld's oceans.
 
I take it "Ithenite" is canon not "Dayen"?

No. As correctly stated upthread by Therin of Andor, there is no canonical name at all. Refer upthread for more information, which is upthread.

However, "Ithenite" is the best name available, because it was on the verge of becoming canonical, and you can bet that "Ithenite" will never be contradicted in canon.
 
Is there any truth to the anecdote that Dee Kelley was smoking in between takes of the operation sequence and that the whiff of smoke rising from the prop covering Mark Lenard's torso actually came from the cigarette Kelley "ducked" out of shot?

Sincerely,

Bill
 
I don't know the details but the smoke is VERY visible in the remastered version. :rommie:
 
Of course, fans have had fun providing "in story" explanations, like McCoy's laser scalpels generating water vapor from making incisions or sealing blood vessels.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
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