Jon Stewart rips Obama a new one on debt deal

[DarthTom]

Gotta love it. The subtext of course of Stewart's very funny remarks is that Obama has been a poor leader throughout this whole affair.

Here is the link and here is my favorite quote in the piece:

Stewart speaking back to Obama as he tries to vacillate on cause and effect of this crisis and who's been at fault:

"Let me just stop you right there -- you're not pinning this turd on us. Last time I checked, the buck stops with you, not the Twitterverse."

Jon Stewart rips Obama a new one on debt ceiling deal

 

[Roger Wilco]

And he's still going to support Obama over any of the nutcases on the other side.

 

[DarthTom]

And he's still going to support Obama over any of the nutcases on the other side.

We'll see. If unemployment in the US still is hovering around 10% in 2012 as now it's expected to be - I'd wager that those 1 in 10 Americans have a powerful reason not to vote form him.

But on topic: The President has demonstrated extremely poor leadership throughout this entire crisis.

As several Democrats have pointed out in crticism of his performance he failed to take his own plan directly to the American people.

Oh and as Stewart aptly points out the President should have settled the debt crisis this past December when he made the no tax hike deal with the Republicans back then.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Well, I hope ranting about it made him feel better, since it can't do much else.

The Republicans invented this crisis, Democrats just had to find a way to work with a House dominated by lunatics and prevent disaster. It's astonishing that the insanity of Republicans which precipitated this whole mess will get pinned on Democrats who were doing their best to avert default. But hey, if it helps you sleep better at night, go ahead: vote for Republicans. Kick Obama out of the Oval Office, sweep the Democrats out of Congress, and enjoy the fucking wreck of a country you get from that. You didn't learn your lesson when Bush and a Republican Congress sold out the middle class and set us up for a global financial crisis?

It's fine, though. I will just get the hell out of this country and leave it to the crazies.

 

[Ultramann]

One, make your points without the language. Two, lets hear the FACTS behind your blaming the Republicans for this mess. You accuse but with lack of evidence. Give us the unedited facts and let the readers decide.

 

[datagal]

Gee, I can't think of who I'm more sick and tired of right now. The people who are pissing and on the Left or the people who are pissing and moaning on the Right.

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

One, make your points without the language. Two, lets hear the FACTS behind your blaming the Republicans for this mess. You accuse but with lack of evidence. Give us the unedited facts and let the readers decide.

The facts are right in front of you. I'm not here to do the work for you. Republicans made this mess. That's a fact. Don't like it, don't believe it? Not my problem.

And I'll speak any fucking way I choose. Have a nice day.

 

[datagal]

One, make your points without the language. Two, lets hear the FACTS behind your blaming the Republicans for this mess. You accuse but with lack of evidence. Give us the unedited facts and let the readers decide.

The facts are right in front of you. I'm not here to do the work for you. Republicans made this mess. That's a fact. Don't like it, don't believe it? Not my problem.

And I'll speak any fucking way I choose. Have a nice day.

That's right, Robert. Straighten that tadpole out.

 

[Lindley]

One, make your points without the language. Two, lets hear the FACTS behind your blaming the Republicans for this mess. You accuse but with lack of evidence. Give us the unedited facts and let the readers decide.

Fact: The debt ceiling "crisis" didn't need to be anything of the sort. Reigning in deficit is a matter of future spending policy, not a matter of paying bills for what we've already purchased. Tying the two together is a false equivalence.

Therefore, the "blame" for the whole "crisis" rests squarely on those who made it from a trivial, routine issue into a big headline item. Which is clearly Republicans.

 

[DarthTom]

One, make your points without the language. Two, lets hear the FACTS behind your blaming the Republicans for this mess. You accuse but with lack of evidence. Give us the unedited facts and let the readers decide.

Not that I'm in the habit of nor does RobertMaxwell need help in defending his positions but what are you talking about?

The facts:

*The debt celiing needed to be raised in order for the US to pay its bills

*The President negotiated with the Republicans to keep taxes [revnues] as is back in December of 2010

*The need to raise the debt ceiling hardly came as a surprise to anyone.

*Multiple past Republican Presidents have raised the ceiling with ilttle or no fuss from their own party.

*The President [Obama] is an idiot or a moron if he didn't realize that the paradigm in the US congress had changed with the election of so many Freshman Republican Tea Party House Members in 2010.

*Republican created crazy problem or not the President sat on the sidelines for the most part as he let the two houses of congress hash this out failing to sell a plan to the American People.

*Most recent polls suggest that many Americans think the Democrats, the Republicans, the President, House Speaker Bohlner, Minority Leader McConnell and Senate Leader Reid are all intractable squabbling children who all ideally should be sent packing out of Washington for their combined failed leadership.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

One, make your points without the language. Two, lets hear the FACTS behind your blaming the Republicans for this mess. You accuse but with lack of evidence. Give us the unedited facts and let the readers decide.

Fact: The debt ceiling "crisis" didn't need to be anything of the sort. Reigning in deficit is a matter of future spending policy, not a matter of paying bills for what we've already purchased. Tying the two together is a false equivalence.

Therefore, the "blame" for the whole "crisis" rests squarely on those who made it from a trivial, routine issue into a big headline item. Which is clearly Republicans.

Bingo! This should have been a routine raising of the debt limit. Instead, Republicans decided to hold the entire global economy hostage. How anyone can support that is beyond me.

 

[Roger Wilco]

We'll see. If unemployment in the US still is hovering around 10% in 2012 as now it's expected to be - I'd wager that those 1 in 10 Americans have a powerful reason not to vote form him.

But on topic: The President has demonstrated extremely poor leadership throughout this entire crisis.

As several Democrats have pointed out in crticism of his performance he failed to take his own plan directly to the American people.

Oh and as Stewart aptly points out the President should have settled the debt crisis this past December when he made the no tax hike deal with the Republicans back then.

That's not at all my point. It may well be that the American people are stupid enough to blatantly vote against their interests again and willfully fuck up their country. But you're quoting Jon Stewart, and he certainly does not share your ridiculous, huffy contempt for Obama just because he isn't Mussolini and drags the teafuckers out of Congress to be executed.
Obama has to work within the framework of power the American people give him. Good luck with giving even more power to the crazy people. You deserve to find out first hand how that works out for you, you especially, DarthTom.

 

[DarthTom]

Therefore, the "blame" for the whole "crisis" rests squarely on those who made it from a trivial, routine issue into a big headline item. Which is clearly Republicans.

Actually the 'blame,' is on us voters. This country cannot in PERPETUITY add more seniors to the social security system, more people to medicare. fight now 3 separate conflicts, grow every single department of the US government at a preplanned rate of 8% per year, add new benefits e.g. 'no child left behind' or a prescription drug benefit without raising revenues. We just cannot have it all.

Who gets the proverbial 'shorter end of the stick," is the debate and/or who pays for more benefits is also at issue.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Therefore, the "blame" for the whole "crisis" rests squarely on those who made it from a trivial, routine issue into a big headline item. Which is clearly Republicans.

Actually the 'blame,' is on us voters. This country cannot in PERPETUITY add more seniors to the social security system, more people to medicare. fight now 3 separate conflicts, grow every single department of the US government at a preplanned rate of 8% per year, add new benefits e.g. 'no child left behind' or a prescription drug benefit without raising revenues. We just cannot have it all.

Who gets the proverbial 'shorter end of the stick," is the debate and/or who pays for more benefits is also at issue.

Deficit/debt reduction is a red herring. The US can currently borrow at a negative interest rate. There is no reason not to borrow as much as possible under circumstances like that. Instead, we're looking at job-killing austerity--and make no mistake, that's what spending cuts are.

Republican plans for the economy will not create jobs, they will only destroy them--and funnel more money into the pockets of the top 1%.

Great job. I hope you're pleased with yourself.

 

[Lindley]

Therefore, the "blame" for the whole "crisis" rests squarely on those who made it from a trivial, routine issue into a big headline item. Which is clearly Republicans.

Actually the 'blame,' is on us voters. This country cannot in PERPETUITY add more seniors to the social security system, more people to medicare. fight now 3 separate conflicts, grow every single department of the US government at a preplanned rate of 8% per year, add new benefits e.g. 'no child left behind' or a prescription drug benefit without raising revenues. We just cannot have it all.

Who gets the proverbial 'shorter end of the stick," is the debate and/or who pays for more benefits is also at issue.

Certainly true, but a separate issue. Or at least it should have been. But since the Republicans falsely tied all that stuff to the debt ceiling increase, we may as well consider it.

And therein we come to the other area in which Republicans---the Tea Party in particular---have been difficult. Any deal to reduce the deficit must, according to every economist I've seen quoted, include tax increases and/or loophole closures. Some form of tax reform is required to actually solve the problem, exactly as you say.

But the Republican-dominated House has been rejecting every form of tax reform proposed. They're insisting the deficit be addressed purely with spending cuts, not tax reform at all. Zero compromise whatsoever. If there were some scientific grounding to the position I'd understand, but so far the only ones who think that's a good idea are politicians, not economists.

So the Republicans are insisting on deficit reduction even though interest rates are so low right now that borrowing is almost free, and they're blocking the means necessary to actually reduce the deficit at the same time. It's almost like they want to prevent Obama from fixing the jobs situation before 2012 or something.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

It's almost like they want to prevent Obama from fixing the jobs situation before 2012 or something.

Well, now, that's got to be just some unfounded conspiracy theory, right? It's not possible that Republicans would put making Obama a one-term President above doing what's right for the country, is it?

 

[Pingfah]

When the US should be trying to engender international trust and confidence in the American economy, this is a very bad time to be looking like a country that can barely meet its financial obligations. This whole thing has been extremely damaging to your reputation.

 

[Lindley]

The US can currently borrow at a negative interest rate. There is no reason not to borrow as much as possible under circumstances like that.

I'm curious, is there any reason why we can't just borrow lots on these interest rates, and use the money to pay off principal on portions of the debt accruing higher interest? Keep the overall debt the same but effectively reduce the interest we'll need to pay over the next few years?

 

[RandyS]

Gee, I can't think of who I'm more sick and tired of right now. The people who are pissing and on the Left or the people who are pissing and moaning on the Right.

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

How is any of this different from any president or congress we've ever had? Nothing about any of this is new.

 

[Galileo7]

"That was the case in 2006 when Republican George W. Bush was president and Obama, a freshman senator from Illinois, declared on the Senate floor: "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/11/obama-debt-ceiling-vote_n_847627.html