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Jayru (JSnaith's) 3D Trek

Meade was involved with the visual upgrades to the failed 1994-96 Yamato 2520 series, where he produced multiple ship designs that (to me) seemed really boxy, angular and boring, including some of the EDF and adversary ships. That overly-linear design influence unfortunately followed on into the 2009 Space Battleship Yamato: Resurrection (a.k.a. Yamato: Rebirth) film, which was one of its greatest negatives in the eyes of the general Yamato fandom. Meade was good in some futurist science fiction genres, but for some reason his stuff really fell flat in the translation to anime projects, IMO.
 
I think the genius of Tron is Syd Meade. There is no coincidence he is what ties together Vger, Blade Runner, Tron, and a multitude of other creations that lovers of fine industrial design revel in.
I agree, the man was a design genius.



Meade was involved with the visual upgrades to the failed 1994-96 Yamato 2520 series, where he produced multiple ship designs that (to me) seemed really boxy, angular and boring, including some of the EDF and adversary ships. That overly-linear design influence unfortunately followed on into the 2009 Space Battleship Yamato: Resurrection (a.k.a. Yamato: Rebirth) film, which was one of its greatest negatives in the eyes of the general Yamato fandom. Meade was good in some futurist science fiction genres, but for some reason his stuff really fell flat in the translation to anime projects, IMO.
Anime is a thing in its own right, and I can see how his design flair would not fit in the established parameters. But I wouldn't say he was bad at it.



Better colour matching, Clu's tank is on the left, the MCP version on the right:



Some action shots:



Comments welcome, more soonish
 
That shot with the tank firing just made me realize, how did they get elevation on the gun barrel?? It was in the movie that way too. A 43 year old detail I'd never noticed before... :lol:
 
Oh yeah - definitely not bad. Just... mismatched to the task at hand. :)
Maybe...


That shot with the tank firing just made me realize, how did they get elevation on the gun barrel?? It was in the movie that way too. A 43 year old detail I'd never noticed before... :lol:
Yes, I found that myself when I built the Tank, it can rotate the turret, but angle it up? Nope, lol. The projectiles seemed to just fly up to the right height in the movie.



the same way doom did, only a decade before :P
lol, yep


More soon
 
Well, I haven't quite finished my deep dive into the Grid (Tron), but seeing as how we are at nearly 100 pages on this thread, I thought I'd post some montages of the various ships I've built.

And that's where I hit an annoying problem. Oh, I can render up all the ships together. The big rig can handle that. But one of the ships is to the wrong scale, and that... Just won't stand.

Somehow, when I built the Ambassador Class, I set the length at 324 meters, not 524 meters as it should be. All the windows, rooms and decks are therefore wrong, and given the age of that project, I kept none of the backups from its early stage of creation *sigh*

So... I'm building a proper to-scale Ambassador Class -



About the only things I can use from old mesh are the Warp Nacelles and some minor parts. The rest wil have to be redone.

Good thing I like the class, lol.

Anyways - more on this soon!
 
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What I have been thinking for some time about the Ambassador class. Doesn't matter whether or not it is the shown version of Probert's. Personally I like the Probert version as a better representation of Federation technology...

People bandy about lower warp speeds. I disagree, because one of the statements in the various writers guides is that Federation technology has plataued out - in other it is essentially stagnant.

This is a problem for the Federation.


The Ambassador class rings in at 3.71 million metric tons. The layer Galaxy class at 4.96 million metric tons. The only changes deal with the more modern requirements of a more massive ship.

But more massive? Because they could do nothing else.

So the question is "why?"

Because of the size of the Galaxy itself. Our Galaxy is huge in comparison to warp speed... Meaning that any meaningful journey is going into generation ship territory.

Furthermore Section 31, most likely wanted information on the Borg, and had to hide this from general knowledge in Starfleet. Never mind the general public.
 
What I have been thinking for some time about the Ambassador class. Doesn't matter whether or not it is the shown version of Probert's. Personally I like the Probert version as a better representation of Federation technology...

People bandy about lower warp speeds. I disagree, because one of the statements in the various writers guides is that Federation technology has plataued out - in other it is essentially stagnant.

This is a problem for the Federation.


The Ambassador class rings in at 3.71 million metric tons. The layer Galaxy class at 4.96 million metric tons. The only changes deal with the more modern requirements of a more massive ship.

But more massive? Because they could do nothing else.

So the question is "why?"

Because of the size of the Galaxy itself. Our Galaxy is huge in comparison to warp speed... Meaning that any meaningful journey is going into generation ship territory.

Furthermore Section 31, most likely wanted information on the Borg, and had to hide this from general knowledge in Starfleet. Never mind the general public.
The problem with the Ambassador Class is not its size or scale - it's that it was a rushed studio model, and never completed.

In an ideal world, the FX team would have had the luxury of time and money to build something close to Probert's original design, something that we would have seen more often on screen. But that wasn't what happened, and instead we ended up with what we have. The studio model has no torpedo launchers, no tractor beam emitters, missing phaser arrays and many other missing details. No attempt was made to correct this at the time of TNG's production, which is why the studio model was quietly retired and not seen that much.

If we want to frame this in-universe, then it's likely the class was a lemon, and Starfleet decided it was better off with the 100-year-old Miranda and Excelsior designs than the brand-new Ambassador.

BUT...

Enterprises tend not to be lemon ships; they tend to be state-of-the-art, top-of-the-line craft. Given the loss of Ent-C, maybe Starfleet decided to retire the class? Maybe there simply weren't many built, which is why they weren't seen on screen that much. During the 7-year run of TNG we only saw two Galaxy Class ships.

But that doesn't change the fact that the studio model was woefully lacking in detail, and I guess it behoves the fan community to "correct" that. Which is something I will, of course, do with this model.

In terms of the size, I think we need to reframe how we think about these ships. Voyager was bigger than Kirk's Enterprise, but could only crew 150 people. Voyager and the Ent-D were well-designed ships that had been well thought out in terms of what you could fit on each deck. They are probably the closest we get to "perfection" within the Star Trek Universe. The scale of those ships allows them to carry the crews they do, with all the rooms you see on screen, with all the comfort that entails. The Ambassador fits into that ethos nicely; its "size" makes sense in that context. However, Probert and Sternback were replaced by other designers whose ethos was more about the visual than the practical.

Personally, when I start building these ships, I try to make sense of them, work out how mnay decks they can have, fit windows where windows make sense (and would work) etc etc. I disregard screen accuracy in favour of a rational approach, whilst trying to make sure it "looks" right. It's a balancing act.



Man this is still top 5 Star Trek starships for me and you're nailing it.
Thank you - still cannot believe I made such a rookie mistake about the size... still, it gives me an excuse to rebuild her.



Comments and the like, always welcome. More soon!
 
Probert's Enterprise-C, is one of the better conceived designs...

My feeling as a matter of practically, is that the C, was the first of the generational Starships. Massing in at 3.71million metric tons implies a great deal of resources supplied ahead of time. Under the United States of America Boy Scout motto "Be Prepared. "

Furthermore the Phaser strips being an older model - Type IXs, at 200 individual emitter segments imply, massive increase in fire power.

Think of it.

Two hundred segments, whereas the Excelsior class had ball turrets...

This is basically a statement that someone knew for sure that the Borg were out there. Meaning that after 'Generations' someone sent out quite a few of them to investigate...
 
The TV ships match well. NX-01, TOS, Sternbach's Ambassador, Ent-D.

Probert's ship could just as easily come after the Galaxy...being so lovely...Ent-E harked back to the Refit, after all.

Also nice--the Council...closest to the wall art

More buxom
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