Jacob theory (spoilers)

[Alidar Jarok]

I hate to keep posting random theories that pop in my head (maybe we should have a specific thread for theories), but this one I've been thinking about since the episode ended.

It's really three theories, the first two are kinda obvious.

The first is that the ash ring around the cabin was there to trap Jacob inside (probably trapped by Esau/whatever you want to call him). When Jacob asked for Locke's help, he wanted to be released from the cabin. Jacob could influence the rest of the island (heal people, etc), but he couldn't physically go anywhere (especially not back to the statue where he belonged).

The second theory (I have to watch the season four premiere to see if this is clear), but my guess is that, when Hurly ran from the cabin, he kicked the ash, which freed Jacob. After this point, Christian took over the cabin (the details about Christian are a bit fuzzy, I'll worry about that some other time).

This allowed the newly freed Jacob to visit Hurly in 2007 and convince him to come back.

Now here's the one I'm really starting to wonder. This one is difficult to decide if everything lines up. Basically, my theory is that, when Jacob is locked up, that's when the fertility problems happened on the island. I'm not sure if that makes sense because Jin and Sun would have to have been married before Juliet was asked to go to the island. Someone who knows the chronology a bit better than me could probably figure out if that works.

But that's my theory of the day. Any thoughts?

 

[McCoy]

My thought is that it was actually Jacob who trapped "Esau". Just because Ilana said someone else had been living there and Jacob hadn't been there for a very long time. Or something like that.

 

[Hober Mallow]

My thought is that it was actually Jacob who trapped "Esau". Just because Ilana said someone else had been living there and Jacob hadn't been there for a very long time. Or something like that.

That's the direction it seemed to me they were going, but we've been seeing someone posing as dead people since the beginning of the series. If Esau was trapped, then who was it?

The finale seemed to indicate that Esau is the Smoke Monster, and that he poses as dead people in order to get what he wants. Remember how Esau told Jacob about all the trouble he went through to set the event into motion? He posed as Christian to get John to go back to the outside world, he posed as Ben's daughter and told Ben to do everything Locke says.

Also, if Jacob in fact wasn't the one in the cabin, why did Ben think that's where Jacob lived?

I tend to think you're right, but there are some lingering questions that need to be addressed next season before we know for sure. It's possible that Smokey isn't Esau. In that case, Esau either controls it or it works for him.

 

[McCoy]

My thought is that it was actually Jacob who trapped "Esau". Just because Ilana said someone else had been living there and Jacob hadn't been there for a very long time. Or something like that.

That's the direction it seemed to me they were going, but we've been seeing someone posing as dead people since the beginning of the series. If Esau was trapped, then who was it?

I don't obsess over the details of shows like some do, but believe me I appreciate those people when questions like this come up.

When was the ash circle around the cabin disturbed? I seem to recall someone (Hurley?) running from the cabin in fear and breaking the circle with their foot, but I just can't remember for sure. And when did we see our first apparent reanimation of a dead body? Was it right after that?

 

[Gertch]

The figure we saw in the cabin looks closer to Esau than Jacob but not enough for me to say it's him.

As for the ring of ash, I don't think Hurley could have cleared that much simply by running. Tried finding the image at gallery.lost-media.com but theirs are out of sequence right now. But it looks like someone would have to take some effort to clear that amount away.

And what's the purpose of the ash? To trap someone, to protect someone?

 

[Zulu Romeo]

I'm also in agreement with the whole Esau is the Smoke Monster theory. But does this mean Jacob is the Other Monster? (the creature of light we have yet to see, but which Locke claimed to see in the events of Season 1's "Walkabout" and whom it is assumed visited Juliet in season 3's "Left Behind")

 

[roguephoenix]

jacob to me will always be rita's abussive husband. >_< ack.

 

[Jax]

jacob to me will always be rita's abussive husband. >_< ack.

I knew I saw the actor somewhere else

I won't even try to think what the whole gameplan is betwee nthese two there must be a higher prize than each others death, this Island is still special and it has nothing to do with either me thinks.

So my guess is Esau brought the Losties to the Island in the 1st place and came up with a long drawn out plan to use Locke to kill Jacob but knowing this, Jacob uses his apparant non linear time ability to make sure those who left the island came back because they are his ace in the hole to either get his revenge if Jacob is truly dead or to use them to bring himself back and return as leader of the island.

Either way somehow our LOSTIES are supposed to stop a time travelling, face switiching never ageing uber man who just took out the leader. I don't think theres enuff bullets

 

[Starbreaker]

For the record, I can't wait until they give this guy a name...

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Humm....well, clearly Iliana is on good terms with Jacob and works with/for him. He got her agreeement to that in the hospital, and she knew the 'password' conversation to have with Richard. And yet, she went first to the cabin with Locke's dead body, expecting to find Jacob there.

When she saw the ash disturbed, she immediately went into alert and grew concerned about Jacob. And immediately she found the 'note' stuck to the wall with Jacob's knife from the first scene, knew it was left by him, and had her team set out for the statue to look for him right away.

It's clear that she went to the cabin and then the statue looking for Jacob. But why would she go looking for Jacob at the cabin if it was his prison? Obviously she had been there before or she wouldn't know how to find it. And yet, if she had been there before, and if it was a prison, she could have disturbed the ash herself on that occasion (just as she would have had to have done to get to him in the present) and in doing so, freed her friend. Clearly mortals can disturb it, because Hurley did so and she must have planned to do so in the episode.

This indicates to me that the ash was a protection, not a prison.

Further, if it were a prison, why would she have been concerned that the ash was disturbed? You'd think as a 'friend' of Jacob, she wouldn't want him in prison in any case.

Now, I'm not sure why Jacob would go there and protect himself there with ash...but the other alternative is that Esau lived there, because something weird was up at that cabin.

But why would Iliana take dead Locke to the cabin to see Esau? From the hospital scene, we can assume she is on Jacob's side of any battle. And to take dead Locke to see Esau/fake Locke doesn't really seem like it would accomplish anything as she doesn't exactly need to prove to fake Locke that his fake.

Meh. This is worse that temporal mechanics.

 

[Seven of Five]

I'm leaning more towards it being Jacob that was in the cabin (until the ash was disturbed) which is why Illana went there - she didn't know about Esau being held captive there. My mind is totally fucked though. I'm on a Lost rewatch and just finished watching 'The Man Behind The Curtain' - "Help Me!" indeed. It could go either way, really.

I think the smoke monster is a seperate entity to Esau, but is at least controlled by him.

And of course we don't know how Claire might play into all of this with Christian/Esau/Not-Locke. I think I'm just going to constantly look like until season six starts up.

 

[RobertScorpio]

My thought is that it was actually Jacob who trapped "Esau". Just because Ilana said someone else had been living there and Jacob hadn't been there for a very long time. Or something like that.

That's the direction it seemed to me they were going, but we've been seeing someone posing as dead people since the beginning of the series. If Esau was trapped, then who was it?

The finale seemed to indicate that Esau is the Smoke Monster, and that he poses as dead people in order to get what he wants. Remember how Esau told Jacob about all the trouble he went through to set the event into motion? He posed as Christian to get John to go back to the outside world, he posed as Ben's daughter and told Ben to do everything Locke says.

Also, if Jacob in fact wasn't the one in the cabin, why did Ben think that's where Jacob lived?

I tend to think you're right, but there are some lingering questions that need to be addressed next season before we know for sure. It's possible that Smokey isn't Esau. In that case, Esau either controls it or it works for him.

So what was the reason the smoke monster took Walt's form and eventually got Boone's sister killed? Did "esau" did that on purpose?

Rob

 

[Mallet]

So what was the reason the smoke monster took Walt's form and eventually got Boone's sister killed? Did "esau" did that on purpose?

Rob

If that was Smokey. That could also have been Walt some how psychicly trying to warn Shannen. He didn't "get" Shannan killed, she just ran in the wrong direction and got shot. If she had done what Walt (or whoever is was) wanted and stayed still and remained quiet she would have lived. He/it was trying to "Shhh" her and possibly save her from being shot.