issue with finale

[Courat]

I thought that after watching the end of Voyager, the writers really did a number on what otherwise was an alright series. I feel like the plausibility of them staying in the delta quad decreased dramatically after the crew opened regular relations with Starfleet.
Then the finale comes along, I'm like "alright lets see how they do this" and then we end up with some bs time travel (ill leave the paradoxal elements alone) giving special weapons & armor and it fails at *just* the right second that they don't die, destroy a conduit that the borg could have used the destroy the earthlings (which were a significant thorn in their side for a while) by sending a hundred ships at the wormhole they had pointed *straight at earth*. Why did they not use it before? they obviously deliberately made it. All in all, very disappointing. Sounds to me like the show was invited to not come back next season so they half-baked an ending.

 

[Guy Gardener]

No they regurgitated Timeless from season 5 and tried to pass it off as fresh baked.

There's laws against that sort of thing.

 

[Tom]

I'd like to think that after the 2 Borg cube attacks and the Breen attacking Earth that Starfleet finally got the good sense to have buch of ships near Earth. lol

 

[Anwar]

The finale should have just been a "Where are they now?" type ending with them having gotten back to Earth years prior and its them meeting up again as old folks. Gloss over HOW they got back and have it be reflecting on old times.

 

[RyuRoots]

The finale should have just been a "Where are they now?" type ending with them having gotten back to Earth years prior and its them meeting up again as old folks. Gloss over HOW they got back and have it be reflecting on old times.

I think this would've been a far better ending than what we got, certainly. It's irksome that we don't get any kind of closure at all for the things we actually cared about (at least that's how I felt). As for getting back, I think it would've been nice if Sisperia (sp?) showed up again and was somehow involved; sort of a full circle thing like how TNG had Q and DS9 obviously had Sisko's relationship with the Prophets both in important ways.

 

[Laydin]

The ending is fine. It's a TV show so I never worry with all the "just in time" elements, it's in every show there is.

Also i don't quite understand how the "where are they now" element would work if they focus on that for the finale instead of "how they get home". Where is the climax, the drama, the conflict, the build up? I do not want to see the SERIES FINALE with my beloved characters sitting down and have tea for an hour and a half.

What worked for me was how the "where are they now" elements were written into the beginning of the finale. Although that time line has been erased, I still expect Voyager to fly into San Francisco with fireworks, turn into a museum, Janeway going on to become an Admiral (albeit much less cranky), the Doc choosing a name and fight for holographic rights, Tom a novelist, B'Lenna a liason officer to the Klingon, and Kim going on with a decent Star Fleet career.

Things will be different for Tuvok, 7of9, and Chuckles and too bad we don't have a canon on what they are doing now, but so are the rest of the Star Trek characters we love including other series!

 

[Guy Gardener]

I know that it says Issue with the Final, but I keep thinking it says Tissue with the final, as if we all had a good cry when the series got wrapped up.

 

[Courat]

I know that it says Issue with the Final, but I keep thinking it says Tissue with the final, as if we all had a good cry when the series got wrapped up.

I did lol

 

[Art Vandelay]

I know that it says Issue with the Final, but I keep thinking it says Tissue with the final, as if we all had a good cry when the series got wrapped up.

I like the fact that it says issue - singular - instead of issues. Take off them rose-coloured glasses, Courat!

 

[F. King Daniel]

I liked "Endgame". I still do.

But then, I like STV and Nemesis

 

[Pauln6]

Granny Janeway rocked. Admittedly, she confessed herself that she didn't understand temporal mechanics but she must have known that you can't go back in time to change history. What we have instead was a bunch of renegades who just want to change their own personal timelines. Their actions would have no effect on the existing timeline.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tell that the Romulan Colony on Alpha Centauri (DS9 Past tense), or the wasteland Earth of the 31st century (ENT Shockwave) or the blown up earth of the 29th century (VOY Futures End)?

They jiggled the past, and their present in the future changed.

Or do you just mean that it's unethical?

 

[Pauln6]

Tell that the Romulan Colony on Alpha Centauri (DS9 Past tense), or the wasteland Earth of the 31st century (ENT Shockwave) or the blown up earth of the 29th century (VOY Futures End)?

They jiggled the past, and their present in the future changed.

Or do you just mean that it's unethical?

I mean it's an illusion. The old timeline with the bad stuff isn't erased. The time-travelling characters just end up in a different timeline that is more acceptable to them... so it probably is unethical? Don't they have temporal police to stop that sort of thing?

 

[Valikdu]

Issues:

-"Janeway, you can't do that! You'll create a time paradox!"
People sometimes get eaten by demon reaper bats for that sort of thing, y'know.

-...So, the Borg have an instant portal to Earth and they never use it.
This one is even more grating than never sending more than 1 cube.

 

[toughlittleship]

I've been reading the Star Trek novel Watching the Clock, which has a very interesting scene where:

Spoiler: SPOILER

Dulmer and Luscly of Temporal Investigations plan to arrest Janeway for her actions, although Starfleet is against them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tell that the Romulan Colony on Alpha Centauri (DS9 Past tense), or the wasteland Earth of the 31st century (ENT Shockwave) or the blown up earth of the 29th century (VOY Futures End)?

They jiggled the past, and their present in the future changed.

Or do you just mean that it's unethical?

I mean it's an illusion. The old timeline with the bad stuff isn't erased. The time-travelling characters just end up in a different timeline that is more acceptable to them... so it probably is unethical? Don't they have temporal police to stop that sort of thing?

Different writers use different rules and Berman was too lazy smack them on the nose with a rolled up piece of new paper. So you're right and wrong. But if you try to make a stand on this, the awful continuity is going to bite you in the ass.

In Time and Again we actually see the the universe Dissolving item by item after Janeway creates a paradox.

 

[Pauln6]

I choose to interpret what I see on screen in a way that makes sense to me. Are things really dissolving or is that simply a way of demonstrating visually that the viewer is shifting tracks to whatever timeline the writers want to focus on next? There are definitely irreconcilable difficulties in all the Treks but most time travel mechanics can be explained consitently if you just accept that the characters have no idea what they are talking about