Is the New Tardis not the Old Tardis?

[starsuperion]

Okay, I know the title of this thread sounds daft, and trust me, even I was thinking that okay, steve Tribe settled this in his new book.. the Tardis Handbook.

but,

if you consider that the 7th Doctor in the novel "Blood Heat" had fallen through a crack in the time vortex, and ended up on a parallel Earth where the third Doctor dies fighting the Silurians, and Earth is torn asunder.. and his original Tardis is lost in a Tar pit, and the Doctor takes the Alternate reality Tardis as his own, then maybe the reason the Tardis in the new series is so much more organic and different is due to that being the Gallifrey technology of a parallel Universe?

for more on the novel check here:
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_Heat

anyone have an answer on this, I would love to speculate..?

 

[Chaos Descending]

I don't accept any of the novels as valid "in-continuity" unless the events of the novel are explicitly mentioned in a later TV episode.

Therefore, as far as I am concerned, Matt Smith's TARDIS is the same one we saw in An Unearthly Child.

 

[Stevil2001]

The Doctor gets his original TARDIS back in Happy Endings.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The attitude DW has towards continuity is such that one could see, openly and blatantly, the TARDIS blown into a billion pieces, and in the very next episode it would be back together again, and no one would notice or care.

 

[Chaos Descending]

The attitude DW has towards continuity is such that one could see, openly and blatantly, the TARDIS blown into a billion pieces, and in the very next episode it would be back together again, and no one would notice or care.

Is that sarcasm?

 

[starsuperion]

The Doctor gets his original TARDIS back in Happy Endings.

Oh that is right, Muldwych ends up with the parallel version..

that is interestin..

so there is more then one tardis flying about the universe even during the end of time, cause muldwych is not a timelord..and therefore not subject to the time war..

so what was the novel in which the Tardis is blown up and the doctor has to regrow it?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The attitude DW has towards continuity is such that one could see, openly and blatantly, the TARDIS blown into a billion pieces, and in the very next episode it would be back together again, and no one would notice or care.

Is that sarcasm?

No. And it's not an insult, either.

I have just never gotten the impression that DW viewers, or writers for that matter, care about anything remotely resembling continuity. (For example, we've seen about three versions of the 'end of Earth', haven't we?) That's fine - it's just how this show rolls, as it were.

And in a show about time travel, it probably even makes sense. The Doctor has probably rewritten his own history a million times since the show started. How could they not?

 

[Stevil2001]

so there is more then one tardis flying about the universe even during the end of time, cause muldwych is not a timelord..and therefore not subject to the time war..

Except that the Doctor has said on multiple occasions that his TARDIS is the last in the universe. And besides-- Muldwych is not only a Time Lord, he's the Doctor!

so what was the novel in which the Tardis is blown up and the doctor has to regrow it?

The TARDIS is destroyed in The Shadows of Avalon, when the Doctor begins using the humanoid TARDIS known as Compassion. Compassion leaves him on Earth in the 1880s at the end of The Ancestor Cell, and the TARDIS slowly regrows until 2001 in Escape Velocity.

 

[Chaos Descending]

The attitude DW has towards continuity is such that one could see, openly and blatantly, the TARDIS blown into a billion pieces, and in the very next episode it would be back together again, and no one would notice or care.

Is that sarcasm?

No. And it's not an insult, either.

I have just never gotten the impression that DW viewers, or writers for that matter, care about anything remotely resembling continuity. (For example, we've seen about three versions of the 'end of Earth', haven't we?) That's fine - it's just how this show rolls, as it were.

And in a show about time travel, it probably even makes sense. The Doctor has probably rewritten his own history a million times since the show started. How could they not?

You should probably get acquainted with DW fandom more.

You could start a knife-fight just by mentioning the half-human business from the TV movie.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The attitude DW has towards continuity is such that one could see, openly and blatantly, the TARDIS blown into a billion pieces, and in the very next episode it would be back together again, and no one would notice or care.

That's why I love it.

 

[Bones2]

I was hoping this was about the doors.

Why does no one here ever mention the doors.

 

[Starkers]

The doors?

Do you mean the way you walk straight out of the police box doors to the outside rather than opening two other doors that don't look anything like the police box doors?

I phrased that really badly I know!

Of all the things I like about classic Who, the doors make zero sense other than there being some kind of airlock between the console room and the police box doors, which makes no sense because we've seen people just pile stright on through before now.

 

[Orcus]

I like the "new", Cushing '60s movie doors. So there...

(waits for knife fight to begin)

 

[Bones2]

The doors?

Do you mean the way you walk straight out of the police box doors to the outside rather than opening two other doors that don't look anything like the police box doors?

I phrased that really badly I know!

Of all the things I like about classic Who, the doors make zero sense other than there being some kind of airlock between the console room and the police box doors, which makes no sense because we've seen people just pile stright on through before now.

The doors made perfect sense in the classic show (and the TV Movie), because the police box appearance is an illusion and only on the outside. Or at least it was.

 

[David cgc]

Outside what? You just move the problem out of sight, with a Police Box with a set of big, circle-studded doors against the back wall.

Besides, we saw in "The Lodger" that the interior of the exterior doors is still an illusion when the apartment facade flickered inside the other TARDIS. It may appear solid, but that's Time Lord science for you. If the Chameleon Circuit was working, the Doctor could flip a switch and those phone box doors would flicker into the inside of a pipe organ or something.

 

[The]

Speaking of the interior doors from the Classic Series, I always felt that they would have been right about where the ramp begins down to the exterior doors. If during the Time War the interior holographic projection system was destroyed, then you can see how the interior AND the current Police Box doors existed in the Classic series. It was only due to the limitations of the time that we couldn't see from the outside into the interior in a single shot. So, if you remove the interior shell that was part of the interior doors, you would have seen what we see every week now....the back of the current exterior shell's doorway, complete with the bulb that lights the outside sign.

I would say that the only thing I feel they are pushing these days is how the TARDIS is able to hold the atmosphere in while they have the doors open in space. And Amy floating out there? Come on. I've never figured out why they would have them run over and open up the doors rather than just have a viewscreen for him to see outside. I'm glad the viewscreen has made its return...

 

[The]

I don't accept any of the novels as valid "in-continuity" unless the events of the novel are explicitly mentioned in a later TV episode.

Therefore, as far as I am concerned, Matt Smith's TARDIS is the same one we saw in An Unearthly Child.

 

[HappyDayRiot]

I would say that the only thing I feel they are pushing these days is how the TARDIS is able to hold the atmosphere in while they have the doors open in space. And Amy floating out there? Come on. I've never figured out why they would have them run over and open up the doors rather than just have a viewscreen for him to see outside. I'm glad the viewscreen has made its return...

Hardly a chore for a time machine that can move planets, surely? How is it any different to Star Trek style forcefield around the bulkheads?

 

[The]

No, and I don't mean to say it's impossible or improbable within the narrative of the show's universe. More that I'm just personally tired of it. One of my top pet-peeves in science fiction is "breathing/hearing in space" or any variation therein. Don't ask me why, but when I read a Jeph Loeb comic book where The Flash is running in space (take a moment with that one), or Superman fights Nuclear Man in Superman IV on the friggin moon, I die a little inside. Respect me enough as a viewer to assume I have a First Grade education level. If River hadn't requested an "air corridor" in Time of Angels, I would have exploded in a flashback of watching Peter Davison float in the dead of space with a helmet and high-tops. That's the first time I flipped Doctor Who off.

It's just my personal neurosis.

 

[Starkers]

^The first time I watched Time of Angels I didn't catch River asking for an air corridor and it annoyed the hell out of me!