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Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek XI?

Samuel T. Cogley

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Hey, guys. I don't usually post in this forum very often, but I wanted to get more honest results for a poll I just created in the Star Trek XI forum.

I'd ask you to post your comments in that thread just to ease the flow of conversation. I'm not looking for any particular results, just honest opinions.

(Maybe a Moderator could lock this thread to keep comments over there.)

Thanks in advance for your participation! :thumbsup:
 
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek

If the thread is locked, it'll drop like a rock. I think you're better off getting the occasional bump in here to keep it around for awhile.

I will encourage everyone to follow Sam's request and post any comments in the thread in the Trek XI forum though.
 
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I went to Brannon Braga's site, and was HEALED!!!!!
 
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek

Lock it. It's on the other board.
 
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^ Yes, the actual discussion is taking place in the thread in the Trek XI forum. But I don't have a problem with letting people here know about it. The regulars in this forum should have every opportunity (and notice) to contribute their opinions there.
 
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Mallory said:
^ Yes, the actual discussion is taking place in the thread in the Trek XI forum. But I don't have a problem with letting people here know about it. The regulars in this forum should have every opportunity (and notice) to contribute their opinions there.

Agree 100%. Thanks again for suggesting it.
 
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek

I've no problem. It's a Hollywoodland franchise and they are making a new one. But of course, the 'trekker' crowd is very commited to an idea of continuing Trek as a sort of history, as the TNG era shows and movies did. Sorta. ENT too, I suppose.

But that stuff has had it's day, Trek has become stagnant and old. It needs a new reason to be. A new creative starting point. That means a completely new bunch to make it.

So we get a new Star Trek. Great idea, and of course, a new cast. As I said, no problem with a recast, the problem is who they cast. So far, seems like a great collection of talent. It's clear the JJ Abrams effort isn't small potatos... the studio is letting him and his crew recreate the thing. I'm confident the new cast will make the roles their own.

The news is, we are getting terrific actors, creators, and studio $$$ for a new Star Trek. This is exciting in of itself. Really, look at the joker who was gonna make the last proposed Trek. Some Romulan thing. Yikes.
 
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek

Plum said:
I've no problem. It's a Hollywoodland franchise and they are making a new one. But of course, the 'trekker' crowd is very commited to an idea of continuing Trek as a sort of history, as the TNG era shows and movies did. Sorta. ENT too, I suppose.

And that's the problem. Over 40 years and something like 750 episodes, Star Trek has become so top-heavy in terms of its own continuity that for it to get a new lease on life, it needs to start fresh. That's why I wish Trek XI were a reboot or a reimagining rather than simply a continuation of what has gone before.

This differs from Doctor Who, which now has more individual episodes than the entire Trek franchise. For one thing the format of the show allows for continual reinvention, and its canon is far more fluid thanks to the idea of alternate timelines. Whether one personally agrees or not, Paramount and the makers of Trek from Roddenberry to Abrams have always considered the Trek canon to be one timeline, which has created a continuity straightjacket for so many writers. Couple this with a fanbase that treats Trek canon as religion, and you make it very difficult to come up with new Trek for either the big or small screen.

Making matters worse are those who want Star Trek to be a completely different show. I lost track of how many times I heard people wanting Enterprise to be more like BSG, even though BSG was created as an anti-Trek. The only way for Trek to be like BSG is for it to be reimagined.

Instead, Abrams has decided to make a film that, he hopes, falls within the canon. And I fear that will alienate the new viewers he wants/needs to attract to keep the Trek franchise viable. And his casting of Nimoy, instead of generating goodwill from the fanbase, has instead generated animosity and conflict because it's reopened the 13-year-old wounds of Generations and Kirk's fate.

So yes, I'm cool with the recasting, but feel that Abrams and Paramount wimped out. Instead of presenting us with a brand new Star Trek and starting fresh (leaving Roddenberry's original Trek to be continued by the novels, comics, fanfilms, etc.) they're wanting to stick within the canon, and IMO it won't work. And the fanbase in particular is going to go nuts if the Enterprise is redesigned. New actors are one thing -- it's a necessity that we have to accept -- but the changing of hardware is where the rubber will meet the road for this film.

Cheers

Alex
 
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23skidoo said:
And that's the problem. Over 40 years and something like 750 episodes, Star Trek has become so top-heavy in terms of its own continuity that for it to get a new lease on life, it needs to start fresh. That's why I wish Trek XI were a reboot or a reimagining rather than simply a continuation of what has gone before.
I've yet to see a clear explanation of how rebooting solves anything. People didn't leap out of their chairs, clutching their eyes, screaming in agony, and running out of the theaters with their hair on fire because Nemesis failed to address the issue of how the Barzan economy could revitalize itself in the wake of Crusher and Troi wearing their leotards backwards; they hated the movie because it was poorly made. And saying that the 482 previous episodes where a mysterious space virus causes the little hidden personality traits of the characters to emerge no longer count wouldn't do anything to make the premise less tired to Enterprise viewers.

Anyway, yeah, recasting is fine, if the movie is to be made (please don't screw this up). After all, they can't really stick with the original cast, or else every scene in sickbay or engineering is just going to flop.

KIRK: Scotty, we need warp seven in two minutes or we're dead.
KIRK: ...
KIRK: ...
KIRK: ... so ...
KIRK: ...
KIRK: ...
KIRK: ... if you could get us warp seven, that would be really great.
KIRK: ...
KIRK: ...
KIRK: ... anytime now, Scotty.
KIRK: ...
KIRK: ...
KIRK: ...
KIRK: Scotty, could you had the intercom to someone else?
KIRK: ...
 
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek

If the promises of "Team Trek" can be believed, ther's no intention to reboot.

They intend the new movie to take place within the existing continuity.

Of course, how they'll explain any changes in the appearance of the Enterprise, handheld tech, uniforms, etc. is beyond me. If it looks different, isn't it a different continuity?

I suspect the whole thing is an attempt by the Soviet Union to ruin Trek because of Chekov's being added to the cast so late. They've waited all this time to make us think things were safe...
 
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gastrof said:
Of course, how they'll explain any changes in the appearance of the Enterprise, handheld tech, uniforms, etc. is beyond me. If it looks different, isn't it a different continuity?

Not necessarily. The Andorians being used in recent ST comics reflect their appearance in ENT, but it's up to us to decide if that means we supposedly just haven't seen any TOS, TOS movie or TNG era Andorians in a while.

"Superman Returns" is a good example of the kind of changes JJ's movie may offer. "Superman Returns" was a direct sequel to "Superman II". In the timeline, "Superman III" and/or "Superman IV: The Quest for Peace" either haven't happened, or never will. (And if they do ever happen, some elements of "Superman Returns" are rendered apocryphal.) Superman now has a different uniform, made of totally different fabrics. His face looks different than we remember, and so does that of Clark Kent's human adoptive mother. But: the photo of his dead adoptive father, and even the visage of his Krytonian father look exactly like they did in "Superman: The Movie". The woman who played Young Lois Lane's mother looks strangely related to the rich old woman who helped Lex Luthor return to power. None of the streets and buildings around Metropolis, and not even the Daily Planet building, look the same from movie to movie. And while S:TM and S2 seem to be rooted in the late 70s, SR - and life in Metropolis - clearly resembles the 2000s. Then we revert to the 80s for S3 and S4:TQfP, if we accept them.

So JJ's ST will be a blend of everything. Just re-edit what you like and don't like - and enjoy doing so. No one's going to come and remove your canonical and continuity-base ST data from your brain because you dared to watch ST XI.
 
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As long as it performs its major function of entertaining me then I'm all for it.
 
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Therin's example of Superman Returns is, I think, spot on. Another good example would be the upcoming The Incredible Hulk. According to what I've read, in plot terms it is a continuation of Ang Lee's Hulk: Banner has already become the Hulk, and now he's off to fight a new enemy.

But in visual terms, the film is completely different. It has a completely new cast - Ed Norton replacing future Star Trek actor Eric Bana, Liv Tyler replacing future The Day the Earth Stood Still actress Jennifer Connelly - and even the Hulk has been redesigned to a darker shade of green.

I like to call it the trend of ambiguous continuity. Stories which are in terms of casting and behind-the-scenes crew a fresh slate, but which maintain an ambiguously defined link with previous productions. An older example would be the loose internal continuity of many of the Bond films. With Superman Returns, The Incredible Hulk and Star Trek, I think this method is going to become more prevalent.

It'll annoy people who like their continuity clear and unambiguous to no end, but I don't mind it. I'm fine with a recast as well, even if I'm reserving judgement on who they have selected.
 
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^It's also very common for comic books, in which characters and their world can change drastically in appearance from one artist to the next, but we're supposed to accept that it's all part of a single continuity. Likewise, a character's continuity can go back decades, but the character is only supposed to have been around for a handful to a dozen years, and it's up to the reader to mentally retcon dated elements from old stories.
 
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The problem with the Superman Returns analogy is that it is a reboot, directly contradicting the end of Superman II. Superman apparently tells the President he won't be gone again... then promptly leaves for Krypton. For years.

Regardless of Abrams' proclamations, ST-XI is going to be a reboot, likely retroactively tying the original continuity to the Modern Trek's altered version. By the very nature of the project, it's almost unavoidable, hell, almost necessary for the future of the franchise as CBS/Paramount sees it. As such, I'm totally indifferent to it. Recast it, change the ship, whatever. It may be enjoyable in the way a Trek novel or comic might be, but it won't speak to the original, in the same way the TOS-R project doesn't. The original's done and in four DVD cases on my shelf and I'm fine with that.
 
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Lieut. Arex said:
The problem with the Superman Returns analogy is that it is a reboot, directly contradicting the end of Superman II. Superman apparently tells the President he won't be gone again... then promptly leaves for Krypton. For years.

Regardless of Abrams' proclamations, ST-XI is going to be a reboot,

If that is the case, then why is this a problematic analogy, if both are reboots?
 
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek

Lieut. Arex said:
Superman apparently tells the President he won't be gone again... then promptly leaves for Krypton. For years.

Superman's not allowed to change his mind? They'd just discovered his homeworld, thought destroyed all these decades. You really think an adopted alien orphan isn't going to want to check out the possibility his real family might still be alive?

Earlier, the Bond films were mentioned. I always thought it was amusing that Miss Moneypenny kept aging from film to film but Bond stayed at his peak, and then suddenly she got younger than him.

But none of this matters when the aim is the revitalize Star trek to make it, once again, appeal to its broadest audience possible. Without that broad appeal, no more Star Trek.
 
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