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Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges Fans

I'm inclined to believe that the Admiral did die of food poisoning and Section 31 simply used it to spin a tale for that mission.

Are we even sure he's dead?

The status of the Admiral would probably be fairly easy to find out and it would seem silly to lie about it and risk someone looking too hard into the event or at Koval.
 
I'm still somewhat inclined to think that this whole S31 business is Sloan's personal power trip, a fabrication of a stark raving mad ex-SFI agent who wants to feel important. Having found some records of an old United Earth organization of that shady name, he started playing Batman with a futuristic twist, creating holographic coworkers and improbable plots and schemes and riding on real SFI operations and taking credit on them and enjoying it immensely when he managed to confuse real SFI personnel or random Starfleeters into believing in him...

Any mystery surrounding the death of Fujisaki would probably be yet another of his innovative creations, then.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I'm still somewhat inclined to think that this whole S31 business is Sloan's personal power trip, a fabrication of a stark raving mad ex-SFI agent who wants to feel important. Having found some records of an old United Earth organization of that shady name, he started playing Batman with a futuristic twist, creating holographic coworkers and improbable plots and schemes and riding on real SFI operations and taking credit on them and enjoying it immensely when he managed to confuse real SFI personnel or random Starfleeters into believing in him...

Any mystery surrounding the death of Fujisaki would probably be yet another of his innovative creations, then.

Timo Saloniemi

The problem with that is that Admiral Ross confirms that Section 31 exists and that he was working for them.
 
^ And how would they have acquired what was clearly a Federation holodeck in the first episode they appeared in?
 
^ And how would they have acquired what was clearly a Federation holodeck in the first episode they appeared in?

I believe the implication was that Section 31 had control of at least one Federation starship equipped with an illegal cloaking device and advanced transporters (since Bashir had to be transported off of DS9 without being detected). I would imagine that it's an Intrepid-class ship, since the holodeck was identical to Voyager's.
 
^ I was supporting your argument by adding that they wouldn't have been able to have access to such a facility otherwise. Though I believe it was being said that they were aboard that Intrepid like ship that we saw every so often in DS9 orbit in the war seasons.
 
The problem with that is that Admiral Ross confirms that Section 31 exists and that he was working for them.

But Ross gives no indication that he would have contacted anybody besides Sloan. So Ross was simply suckered, too.

And how would they have acquired what was clearly a Federation holodeck in the first episode they appeared in?

Not "they", but "him". :devil: And we have no reason to think that holodecks are particularly difficult to come by. Probably every wealthy mansion has three, plus one for the dog.

Of course, it would be trivially easy to give the holodeck a particular appearance: just create the appearance within the holodeck! So perhaps Sloan in "Inquisition" simply rented one of Quark's holodecks.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The problem with that is that Admiral Ross confirms that Section 31 exists and that he was working for them.

But Ross gives no indication that he would have contacted anybody besides Sloan. So Ross was simply suckered, too.

And how would they have acquired what was clearly a Federation holodeck in the first episode they appeared in?

Not "they", but "him". :devil: And we have no reason to think that holodecks are particularly difficult to come by. Probably every wealthy mansion has three, plus one for the dog.

Of course, it would be trivially easy to give the holodeck a particular appearance: just create the appearance within the holodeck! So perhaps Sloan in "Inquisition" simply rented one of Quark's holodecks.

Timo Saloniemi

The problem is five-fold:

1. How did he transport Bashir out of his quarters in "Inquisition" without being detected if he doesn't have access to transporter technology significantly more advanced than exists in the Federation at large (which implies the existence of an organization with access to advanced technology)?

2. How did Sloan get transported away a split-second before being shot in "Inter Arma" if it was all just him?

3. How does Sloan repeatedly penetrate DS9's defenses and get into Bashir's quarters given that Station Security is on the lookout for him?

4. How did Sloan develop the mutagenic virus and introduce it to Odo if he was acting alone, given that the genetically-enhanced mind of Bashir estimates that it would take scores of people to do such a thing?

5. If it was all Sloan faking it, how come his memories, upon being accessed by Bashir and O'Brien in "Extreme Measures," indicates that it's real, and includes operations on Qo'noS and an agent in the cabinet of former Federation President Jaresh-Inyo?
 
For the transporter trickery, I only need quote "Devil's Due". It also helps that the sensors doing the sensing would be part of a station whose systems Sloan could access beforehand - unlike was the case with Picard's sensors in that TNG episode.

And my scenario wasn't that Sloan or his phony S31 would have developed the anti-Founder virus. It was all SFI:s doing, and Sloan was a regular SFI agent gone mad. He still retained his job and means of access, but he was simultaneously indulging in this power fantasy.

As for what was in Sloan's head in "Extreme Measures", none of it need have been true - beyond the SFI data he had on the virus, that is. Hell, even if S31 did exist, the "information" on that agent in the President's office etc. was probably all false. Which only goes to show that Sloan was in control of the head trip to a greater degree than Bashir would have wanted to believe, until O'Brien shook the good doctor out of it.

Timo Saloniemi
 
And my scenario wasn't that Sloan or his phony S31 would have developed the anti-Founder virus. It was all SFI:s doing, and Sloan was a regular SFI agent gone mad. He still retained his job and means of access, but he was simultaneously indulging in this power fantasy.

And, as was said in the final seasons of Deep Space Nine and in Voyager, Starfleet did not permit the creation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (at least on the Genocide scale).
 
As for what was in Sloan's head in "Extreme Measures", none of it need have been true - beyond the SFI data he had on the virus, that is. Hell, even if S31 did exist, the "information" on that agent in the President's office etc. was probably all false. Which only goes to show that Sloan was in control of the head trip to a greater degree than Bashir would have wanted to believe, until O'Brien shook the good doctor out of it.

Every time I watch the episode, the information just seems to be a decoy to keep Bashir involved so that he'll die with Sloan. Just another trick to try and win the game.
 
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