Insurrection

[Nedersong]

It's not a bad movie.

To those who say it is I put this question to you:

Would you do what Captain Picard did? Would you stand up to your superior in the same situation to do what's right? Would you be on the side of the Baku?

That is the spirit of the movie, as well as the charm to it. Doing what's right against insurmountable odds. That's what it means to be human.

 

[captcalhoun]

wrong forum?

 

[Michael]

It's not a bad movie.

Agreed, it's not a bad movie. But it's not a very good movie either.

And yeah, wrong forum.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

moving to movies

 

[Candlelight]

I would've left the Briar Patch and gone public on the outside.

I doubt I would've engaged the Son'a.

Besides, why are 600 white people allowed to have that fountain of youth to themselves anyway? I say, blow them away and give the scientific knowledge we learn to everyone else.

Hehehe.

 

[22 Stars]

I would have left the Briar Patch and gone and rejoined the INTERGALACTIC WAR raging out there. Why Insurrection was made instead of a Star Trek: Dominion film with the TNG folks playing a key role in the Dominion War is just criminal.

To those who would say the public wouldn't know what the Dominon War was, I say it could have been explained in probably two minutes or less at the beginning. Think of how much explanation LOTR does, and nobody seemed to mind.

 

[darkshadow0001]

It's not a bad movie.

To those who say it is I put this question to you:

Would you do what Captain Picard did? Would you stand up to your superior in the same situation to do what's right? Would you be on the side of the Baku?

That is the spirit of the movie, as well as the charm to it. Doing what's right against insurmountable odds. That's what it means to be human.

Yeah, I agree it's not a bad movie, but just not done well. Bad musical score, and bad humor in the movie. I never understood why they were talking about "Tork sensors." Never ever heard that used through out the series. I would probably have done what Picard did if I have the backbone to do it, because I have stood up for what I believed what was right in my jobs before.

 

[Nebusj]

That is the spirit of the movie, as well as the charm to it. Doing what's right against insurmountable odds. That's what it means to be human.

They're not really insurmountable odds, though. They amount to stalling things for a couple hours while sending Riker off to call Mommy and make the meanies stop being mean.

Was there a realistic chance Picard would do anything different? What does Picard have to do that hurts him, or that at least threatens to hurt him? What's he liable to lose if he doesn't overcome the fairly surmountable odds? What does he have to learn he's capable of doing that he didn't already know he could do? What perspective on life does he have to revise? These are the questions that need good answers for the movie to have the impact it wants to have.

 

[Candlelight]

Why Insurrection was made instead of a Star Trek: Dominion film with the TNG folks playing a key role in the Dominion War is just criminal.

The Dominion was limited to Deep Space Nine. A film about it featuring the TNG crew would have been terrible.

 

[Trekker4747]

This movie's title is a mispronunciation away from being a porn title.

Star Trek: Insert Erection.

 

[Candlelight]

Or, if you add the movie number:

Star Trek Nine: Inch Erection

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Oh, the malapropisms...or malapriaprisms...

 

[Brian]

I never understood why they were talking about "Tork sensors." Never ever heard that used through out the series.

Um... the word you're looking for is "torque". And such a sensor would be necessary for a ship with an inertial damping field, I would imagine.

What difference does it make if we've never heard it mentioned before? Would you rather they rehash everything that's already been done?

It also had nothing to do with the plot, so why worry about it? It was just there to illustrate how Picard could hear better under the influence of the local radiation.

 

[Kronos]

It was an ok TV episode, it was an awful movie.

And really? manual steering column? I was ashamed to be a Trek fan when I saw that.

 

[Colonel Midnight]

^ Agreed. Sad to say, it was the only Trek movie I've ever walked out on... and why, to this day, I haven't bothered to watch NEM.

Cheers,
-CM-

 

[Timby]

Bad musical score, and bad humor in the movie.

I will hear no bad words towards Jerry Goldsmith's score (it fit the -- wrong -- tone of the movie, and the main theme was utterly beautiful), and the humor was hit-and-miss. The oft-mentioned "boobs" moment was terrible, and Data's "lock and load" line is somehow even worse than "to hell with our orders" from First Contact, but I never fail to chuckle at Worf's "Yes, he would" when Riker's plotted a collision course against the Son'a ship and the deadpan "Admiral Dougherty will not be joining us for dinner" line just makes me laugh.

Agreed with an earlier post: It's not a bad movie, it's just poorly executed.

 

[arch101]

The darker overtone of the movie should have been maintained: that the Federation is NOT always a do-goody utopian society. Like all governments, it has some bad apples and sometimes does some bad things. There was a missed opportunity to make a social comment about desperate measures in time of war. The earlier drafts that defined Dougherty as a heroic man who had saved Picard's life once, making Picard indebted to him, should have been maintained. ALL of the little jokes and slapstick should have been omitted. None of it was funny and it made the actors seem stupid. The joystick was incredibly dumb. Jerry Goldsmith's score was, as always, well done.

 

[Trekker4747]

Bad musical score, and bad humor in the movie.

I will hear no bad words towards Jerry Goldsmith's score (it fit the -- wrong -- tone of the movie, and the main theme was utterly beautiful), and the humor was hit-and-miss. The oft-mentioned "boobs" moment was terrible, and Data's "lock and load" line is somehow even worse than "to hell with our orders" from First Contact, but I never fail to chuckle at Worf's "Yes, he would" when Riker's plotted a collision course against the Son'a ship and the deadpan "Admiral Dougherty will not be joining us for dinner" line just makes me laugh.

Agreed with an earlier post: It's not a bad movie, it's just poorly executed.

Personally, I felt First Contact's main theme was far more beautiful.

 

[T'Cal]

It's been posted repeatedly that this is too much like an episode. Maybe that's why I like it. I'm a bigger fan of the series than the movies. TNG works better with its ensamble cast instead of just three main characters (like TOS). This works better on TV where the rest of the cast can develop. My biggest problem is its way too many failed attempts at humor. Lose them and this movie improves dramatically.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Would I have put my crew and career at risk over a few hundred people? I don't know, maybe, if I thought I could delay them long enough to get the Federation Counsil in volved.

insurrection was the closest thing to capturing the feel of the series. The TNG movies were these big, bloated space adventures when the series really didn't do that all that much (it wasn't TOS). So in that regard, I thought the film was well done and it was the only film to really give us Picard as we saw him in the show. No horrible family tragedy, no revenge obsession and no mid-life crisis.

The humor was a little immature. The boobs reference was fine between the gals, but even Data would know he doesn't have boobs (well, Brent Spiner might have had man boobs, but I have no idea) and the joke falls flat. His "lock and load", like "to hell with out orders" was the attempt to give him a funny "human" line like Spock's at the end of Trek 6. But the difference is, Spock's "if I were human - go to hell" line was in character and Nimoy's superior comic delivery was amazingly funny. As said, though, a few bits are really funny in Insurrection. The first time we see Worf's "Gortch" is great because you can juuuust hear Data whisper "pimple, sir" and that made me chuckle. The "android's bottom" gag was also awesome. As was the "aggressive tendicies" line.

I did have an iusse with the white, middle class, Southern California Colony there. Not even a nose ridge in sight. Weird for Trek, but I guess Picard needed a human love interest (why?).

Finally, the score was gorgeous. It was a natural outgrowth of the film and elevated it tremendously. The pastora theme is outstanding. Not knocking his First Contact theme, but that one was a little too close to his work for Mulan. Then again, the action bits in Insurrection were the same as US Marshals. It's far from a bad score, on the contrary, it's an amazing piece of work. The Trek franchise lost a major ingredient when Jerry died.