Insurrection should've been about the dominion war

[dHunter333]

i know that following first contact, they wanted a lighter, less action oriented movie

but that is the federation FLAGSHIP, it should've been involved in the dominion war

since they decided not to do a movie about the war
it should've opened with a skirmish between the E-E and a dominion war ship

 

[blueziggy]

lets look at this logically for a second. how many viewers did TNG have? how many did DS9 have? subtract the DS9 number from the TNG number (because we all know TNGs was higher). the number you get is the amount of people that had never even heard of the Dominion or the War that was going on. while im sure all star trek fans went to see insurrection, not all TNG fans are DS9 fans.

much better to do a film that appeals to all Star Trek fans then a film that appeals to just TNG fans that are also fans of DS9.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

A war movie could've been good, though, and they could've taken a page from George Lucas's book, briefly explaining that it was a time of war in the Federation and that the adversaries were the Dominion. Then they could've shown the Enterprise in battle.

 

[Maurice]

Um, no. Many many Star trek fans like the show because it's NOT about war.

 

[Admiral Bear]

I've always felt Insurrection had a lot of potential for showing the dark and dirty side of Starfleet, much like Sisko and Garak did in In the Pale Moonlight. In reality, an organisation like Starfleet would always be doing things under the radar, and doing black bag operations. An exposure of this by Picard and the ramifications of it back on Earth would've made far more interesting viewing than the 99 mins we got of running around grassy mountains, shooting at flying transporter tagging machines.

The whole film would've been far better as a dirty political drama/action film, but sadly we all know which route Berman and Braga took.

 

[Hardin]

I don't think Braga had anything to do with Insurrection.

The script was written by Michael Piller anyway and I remember reading it went through quite a few changes because Stewart supposedly didn't like the tone of the first version and pushed for more humor and levity.

 

[dave_R_treker]

lets look at this logically for a second. how many viewers did TNG have? how many did DS9 have? subtract the DS9 number from the TNG number (because we all know TNGs was higher). the number you get is the amount of people that had never even heard of the Dominion or the War that was going on. while im sure all star trek fans went to see insurrection, not all TNG fans are DS9 fans.

much better to do a film that appeals to all Star Trek fans then a film that appeals to just TNG fans that are also fans of DS9.

In Insurrection they did have a small mention of the Dominon War. The people who the Enterprise were making first contact with or trying to sign a tready with, was so that the Federation would have more allies to fight against the Dominion. So if your saying most of the people who were watching the movie aren't going to know about the Dominon and such, why mention it at all.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

^^^
To show they are PART of the DS9 universe, but they are not telling a story about it.

The Dominion and everything about them was DS9's story. Not TNG's. At the time, when we wanted Dominion, we knew where to tune in and it didn't cost a thing.

Insurrection may not have worked for everybody, but I'm glad they told their story and stayed true(er) to the tone of TNG. Mostly.

 

[arch101]

Certainly one of the films should have been a war film. Oh, well. They had 4 shots with TNG films and blew 3 of them.

 

[Shawnster]

Actually, Insurrection is my favorite TNG movie; despite the Klingon zit, flotation-devise Data and Riker flying the Enterprise by joystick.

 

[DarKush]

I think INS should've been about the Dominion War, a tie-in movie. For one, it might've helped boost DS9's ratings. Two, the Jem'Hadar are far better villians than the Son'a. The Son'a weren't bad, but they were pretty one-note villians. The Dominion were far richer, more developed adversaries.

The movie could just show a crucial battle in the war. Many war movies don't cover an entire war, so there doesn't have to be closure on that level. The Trek novels provided two good ideas I think to have based a TNG-DW movie around, the Dominion seeking to build an alternative wormhole and the battle of Betazed. Doing a Battle of Betazed would probably be better since it can focus on Troi, Lxwanna.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

^^^
What made TNG popular and a ratings juggernaut it its day?

The complete opposite of what you're suggesting. It wasn't war and action that drew in the high numbers, TNG was not about that, not most of the time anyways.

Adding more action to the movies, making Picard an action hero and movie away from what made the show so special was a mistake, I think.

Again, DS9 had the war and specific style of storytelling. TNG had theirs. And they both worked in their own ways.

 

[Oso Blanco]

DS9 had the war and specific style of storytelling. TNG had theirs. And they both worked in their own ways.

It wouldn't have been THAT hard to combine those two ways. It would have a much better movie than the one we got and it would have brought the Trek universe a little more together. I never understood why they kept TNG and DS9 that much apart anyway.

 

[Cyke101]

On one hand, I agree that the Dominion War is and should be DS9's crowning saga, one to be kept to itself and not to spread around.

However, if I had to concede the notion of Insurrection involving the Dominion War, in another world I think Homefront and Paradise Lost would have been the perfect vehicle for Insurrection. You've got a corrupt but powerful Starfleet admiral willing to strike a coup in an effort to save the Federation from the Dominion. Good intentions paved with horrible logic. As well, the Dominion War itself could just be a mere backdrop: the Dominion themselves don't have to show up, since the true conflict itself would be about upholding Starfleet's ideals and political ideology, rather than the war itself. Starfleet Vs. Starfleet as it was originally intended. Thus, you can have a Dominion War movie without having the Dominion in there!\

There's precedence in Trek for this sort of storytelling as well: the Tzenkethi War was just a backdrop for a couple DS9 stories, even though we never saw the Tzenkethi and the war itself happened before the show started.

 

[DarKush]

^^^
To show they are PART of the DS9 universe, but they are not telling a story about it.

The Dominion and everything about them was DS9's story. Not TNG's. At the time, when we wanted Dominion, we knew where to tune in and it didn't cost a thing.

Insurrection may not have worked for everybody, but I'm glad they told their story and stayed true(er) to the tone of TNG. Mostly.

I agree that making Picard into an action hero, and the Picard-Data dynamic duo was a mistake. However, if the trend was to put more action into the TNG films who honestly would've made for more compelling foes? The never-before seen, and never seen again one-shot Son'a or the Dominion?

A TNG movie with the backdrop of the DW doesn't necessarily have to be about war. Even in INS they mentioned the war, so it could've been about a side-story related to the war or with the war hanging more pronounced in the backdrop. Though personally I had no problem with them doing a story about one of the many battles of the war.

 

[sbk1234]

All that would be needed was "good." After that, it didn't matter if it was about the Dominion War, or the Bak'u, or whatever.

 

[blueziggy]

Im gonna change the OPs post around abit and see if we get the same type of response.

i know that following first contact, they wanted a lighter, less action oriented movie

but that is the federation FLAGSHIP, it should've been involved in the search for Voyager

since they decided not to do a movie about Voyager
it should've opened with the E-E in the badlands searching for traces of Voyager

does it still work?

 

[jgdst]

Im gonna change the OPs post around abit and see if we get the same type of response.

i know that following first contact, they wanted a lighter, less action oriented movie

but that is the federation FLAGSHIP, it should've been involved in the search for Voyager

since they decided not to do a movie about Voyager
it should've opened with the E-E in the badlands searching for traces of Voyager

does it still work?

LOL topical

The film did okay on its own I thought, it would've been too much to include the war, and it wouldn't have been right to laden the TNG diehards or the casual fan with the whole DS9 setup.

It'd be the same if they put a load of Atlantis references into an SG-1 film - I don't watch Atlantis and so I'd feel like I was being left out. If I feel left out, I don't watch... I doubt I'd be the only one to follow that logic.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

If Trek fans weren't such fickles little farts, they'd have watched DS-Bloody-9, gotten the damn references and bask in the gloriousness of the crossover.

Instead they giggle like school girls when Scotty appears on TNG but poo-poo any ties with the spin-offs.

FORGET YOU, FANDOM!

FORGET YOU.

YOU GOT THE FAILED FRANCHISE YOU DESERVED. NEMESIS FLOPPED BIG TIME BECAUSE YOU WERE CAMPED OUT IN LINE WAITING TO SEE LORDS OF THE RINGS. ENTERPRISE DIED FOR YOUR SINS, YOU DIDN'T EVEN APPRECIATE THE "LOVE NOTE" THEY MADE JUST FOR YOU TNG-SHIPPERS. TYPING IN ALL CAPS PROVES THIS.

 

[cardinal biggles]

LOUD NOISES! I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!