Insurrection - no reference to Betazed?

[Crewman47]

I'm sure it's been asked before but because there's no stardate in it and all we have to go on is the air date and the assumption that the movie is set in 2375 why do you suppose there was no reference to the occupation of Betazed which had happened the previous year especially giving that they have a half Betazoid officer on board, Deanna Troi.

According to non-canon a lot of Betazoids would've been killed, including Lwaxana's Aide Mr Homm and there's also been TNG novels set where Deanna sets out to liberate the planet.

Just curious if this was all supposed to be done prior to the events of Insurection or was Betazed still under Dominion rule right up to the last episodes of DS9?

 

[RyuRoots]

Mr. Homm died?! *insert Vader shouting "Nooo" here*

 

[RoJoHen]

TNG is not DS9. They made a passing reference to the Dominion for continuity's sake, but they have to keep their audience in mind. Not every TNG fan watched DS9, so if suddenly you're throwing in references to Betazed being occupied by an enemy force, people who didn't watch DS9 would have probably been really confused.

 

[Crewman47]

I just thought that because Deanna was from Beatzoid a passing reference wouldn't be too confusing. For example you could have Riker or Picard ask Deanna how her family were doing on Betazoid. Just to show us that they do actually think about what's going on outside the Enterprise from time to time.

 

[Bones2]

Doesn't the film take place before ITPM, while the TNG crew are being saints in paradise?

 

[Islander]

You answered yourself in your own post:

According to non-canon

 

[Crewman47]

So basically what you're saying is that as far as we know, canon wise everything could've been all hunky dorey for everyone on Betazed and the Dominon were the best of buds with them all?

 

[cardinal biggles]

Insurrection is a bit of an island unto itself... there's no captain's log entries, therefore no stardates. They avoid mention of Worf's marriage to Jadzia (mostly because by the time they were filming it was pretty clear Terry Farrell wouldn't be returning for DS9's final season), and only have a couple of sideways references to the Dominion War, none of which help to place Insurrection within DS9's timeline.

 

[nx1701g]

^ It's been suggested that Insurrection takes place during the events of Its Only a Paper Moon and Field of Fire because of Worf's not being seen in those episodes. He is seen only at the beginning of Paper Moon and not seen again until the middle of Field of Fire.

 

[Timo]

Really, the best place for ST:INS would be after the war. After all, there's no sense of an ongoing war in the movie, and indeed there are explicit mentions of negotiations underway with the Dominion. It's unlikely this enemy would negotiate during the war, after their bluff was called in DS9 "Statistical Probabilities"!

Moreover, our heroes tolerate the Son'a, who cooperated with the Dominion. They wouldn't do that when the Dominion still remained an active enemy.

Probably the movie takes place some time after "What You Leave Behind" but before Worf has had time to ship his gear to the Klingon homeworld for his diplomatic assignment there. Assuming that he ever took that assignment, that is; he might have turned it down right after recovering from his victory party hangover. He's not really cut out for that job, after all.

Really, if the movie did take place during the war, the heroes should make at least one mention of it. Instead, they discuss everything else. The very fact that they aren't taking part in combat should be telling already: either there's no war, or our "heroes" are cowardly deserters.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Warp Coil]

Really, the best place for ST:INS would be after the war. After all, there's no sense of an ongoing war in the movie, and indeed there are explicit mentions of negotiations underway with the Dominion. It's unlikely this enemy would negotiate during the war, after their bluff was called in DS9 "Statistical Probabilities"!

Moreover, our heroes tolerate the Son'a, who cooperated with the Dominion. They wouldn't do that when the Dominion still remained an active enemy.

Probably the movie takes place some time after "What You Leave Behind" but before Worf has had time to ship his gear to the Klingon homeworld for his diplomatic assignment there. Assuming that he ever took that assignment, that is; he might have turned it down right after recovering from his victory party hangover. He's not really cut out for that job, after all.

Really, if the movie did take place during the war, the heroes should make at least one mention of it. Instead, they discuss everything else. The very fact that they aren't taking part in combat should be telling already: either there's no war, or our "heroes" are cowardly deserters.

Timo Saloniemi

I believe the throwaway reference to the Dominion mentioned negotiations and implied that the war was on-going. So the film definitely takes place prior to WYLB.

 

[Praetor]

Which still begs the question: why negotiate with an enemy you're engaged in open warfare with?

I'd prefer to place it after WYLB, but I really don't think that was the original intent.

 

[RyuRoots]

Which still begs the question: why negotiate with an enemy you're engaged in open warfare with?

I'd prefer to place it after WYLB, but I really don't think that was the original intent.

shmoriginal intent. It really does seem incredibly stupid to send one of your most powerful ships on archaeological surveys during wartime. Not that the main story is any better if it's after the war, but it would make more sense.

 

[Timo]

...There'd be all sorts of interesting parallels there. Son'a tech wizards as Nazi rocket scientists post WWII, say. Or the Starfleet-helps-Son'a-reconquer-Ba'ku-planet thing as Allies-help-diaspora-jews-recapture-Israel, perhaps.

Certainly a desperate struggle for more allies would be fitting of a ravaged immediate-postwar UFP; the most powerful elements of the now-idled military (read: the E-E) would indeed be best used for impressing new members into the Federation and securing as much of the former battlefield as possible for one's own side while the Klingons and the Romulans did the same for their part.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Praetor]

Which still begs the question: why negotiate with an enemy you're engaged in open warfare with?

I'd prefer to place it after WYLB, but I really don't think that was the original intent.

shmoriginal intent. It really does seem incredibly stupid to send one of your most powerful ships on archaeological surveys during wartime. Not that the main story is any better if it's after the war, but it would make more sense.

Oh, I agree. I didn't mean for my post to seem like approval of their intent. I'm just saying, I think they meant for it to be happening during the war. Which, really, is pretty stupid, but I suppose for the sake of DS9 they couldn't very well say "Hey, the war is over, we won" when that had yet to "actually" happen.

...There'd be all sorts of interesting parallels there. Son'a tech wizards as Nazi rocket scientists post WWII, say. Or the Starfleet-helps-Son'a-reconquer-Ba'ku-planet thing as Allies-help-diaspora-jews-recapture-Israel, perhaps.

Certainly a desperate struggle for more allies would be fitting of a ravaged immediate-postwar UFP; the most powerful elements of the now-idled military (read: the E-E) would indeed be best used for impressing new members into the Federation and securing as much of the former battlefield as possible for one's own side while the Klingons and the Romulans did the same for their part.

Timo Saloniemi

Definitely agreed.

 

[cybersoldier]

Agreed from the lines Picard spoke about the Dominion Insurrection takes place after the war