Independence Day/Trek Question

[Computer]

Ok now ive seen Independence Day well over a dozen times, more so because theres just nothing better on the later time spot movie channels. Theres a part when Will Smith and the Los Angeles attack squadron are flying to engage the alien ship when they fire their missles the scene shows a formation of fighters from the rear as the missles strike the ships shields and I swear the score on that one scene is the Klingon theme from TMP.

Does anyone else know what im talking about or am I just a nut job?

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I'll have to watch the movie again... It wouldn't surprise me...

 

[trevanian]

No, it ain't all that much the same. Though (and I'm not kidding) if you hum the klingon theme, you find it slides right into the famous 'the entertainer' from THE STING (not that I'm saying Goldsmith pinched it from Scott Joplin.)

Whenever I'm in a bad mood, I whistle this trek/sting thing and it usually makes me laugh.

 

[Christopher]

Of course it's not the same music. David Arnold is an accomplished professional, and would not plagiarize another composer's work. It's just that there are only so many ways to put notes together in a way that sounds good, so inevitably there will be pieces of music that sound similar to each other. Sometimes the similarity is intentional, by way of homage, but usually it's coincidence. And either way it's not identical just because it has a similar sound.

 

[Computer]

Christopher said:
Of course it's not the same music. David Arnold is an accomplished professional, and would not plagiarize another composer's work. It's just that there are only so many ways to put notes together in a way that sounds good, so inevitably there will be pieces of music that sound similar to each other. Sometimes the similarity is intentional, by way of homage, but usually it's coincidence. And either way it's not identical just because it has a similar sound.

Well I wasnt accusing the composer of "ripping" anything off I was simply stating the opinion that they sounded similar.

It is also entirely possible that my mind in a moment of total geekdom just related it to Trek thinking it only "sounded" perfect for the Klingons.

I only have TMP on VHS and can't be bothere to pull my VCR out of the closet and dust it off...

"Dust off my VCR" - Jesus im only 24 and im making a VCR sound like ancient technology.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I'm 27 and I still remember the VHS versus Beta thing...

 

[Jaro Stun]

Well, I have another question.

On what technological level do you think ID aliens would be in ST universe?

22nd C, 23rd C, 24th or even higher?

Something like Borg? Like Klingons or Romulans?

What do you think? Would the Feds kick their asses?

 

[greenmystik]

I think they would be between TOS and TNG era technology.

 

[DonIago]

Hard to say. We know that their shields could deflect missiles and cannon fire, but who's to say how they'd handle phasers or photon torpedoes?

Their offensive systems seem pretty unimpressive though by Trek standards. The primary weapon not only takes an eternity before it can be fired, but in the process of charging creates a significant weakness.

 

[Kryton]

Personally, I would rather re-grout my shower-stall than watch ID4 a second time. YMMV. :

 

[David cgc]

Computer said:
Well I wasnt accusing the composer of "ripping" anything off I was simply stating the opinion that they sounded similar.

It is also entirely possible that my mind in a moment of total geekdom just related it to Trek thinking it only "sounded" perfect for the Klingons.

I only have TMP on VHS and can't be bothere to pull my VCR out of the closet and dust it off...

I've got both soundtracks. Since I love you all this much...

The first part is the Klingon theme. The second part is the bit from ID4 (and I knew what you were talking about immediately). I fully expect this will resolve nothing, and no one will ever be sure if it's a homage or a coincidence, but that won't stop everyone from debating it.

 

[Computer]

Thanks David! Ive never been able to compare them side by side before, there is deffinatly a difference but you gotta admit the ID4 theme blended well with the Klingon one.

If the ID4 theme had dipped to a lower tone near the end instead of going higher it would work really well together.

 

[Kegek]

Sounds like coincidence to me. They're both 'tense' pieces of music.

 

[Delta1]

Christopher said:
Of course it's not the same music. David Arnold is an accomplished professional, and would not plagiarize another composer's work.

It's not unheard of for accomplished professionals to write homages to ("plagiarize," if you prefer) each other. Accomplished professional John Williams plagiarized Bernard Hermann in Star Wars. Hans Zimmer plagiarized Holst in Gladiator, and the Holst Foundation sued him for it. I think I also heard some Carl Orff in one of those Pirates movies, but I'm not sure.

 

[D Man]

IMO, the Pirates movie scores all sound like Zimmer's Gladiator work anyways, so in the end it doesn't really matter.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

There are homages in a lot of big works.