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In the Cards and The Most Toys

erastus25

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I am in the process of rewatching TNG for the first time in a number of years. I just finished The Most Toys and was stunned to see that Kivas has a Roger Maris card on his ship. I was stunned because I always assumed that the card in DS9's In the Cards (which I believe Quark mentioned came from a derelict ship) was the card from The Most Toys. Anybody think it's possible that the DS9 writers were trying to reference the TNG episode, but screwed up the card?
 
No. I doubt this was a reference at all. I do know Michael Piller likes inserting baseball into Star Trek, it's featured prominently in "Evolution", his first script for the show (which propounds the idea of it as a dead sport) and is included as a character trait in Benjamin Sisko, DS9's lead, in the Piller-penned "Emissary."

I think the baseball card thing was just the DS9 writers building the usual association of this American sport with Sisko, and probably had nothing to do with "The Most Toys." I don't know if "The Most Toys" had something to do with the aforesaid Piller's interests, but I wouldn't be surprised.
 
Well, "The Most Toys" did say that Fajio's collection was seized and returned to their rightful owners. A baseball card would have no way of being traced to it's rightful owner if it was owned by anything other than a museum or insured collector.

It's possable that card could have then gone from auction to auction, bidder to bidder until it finally landed up on DS9.
 
Kegek Kringle said:
probably had nothing to do with "The Most Toys."

Back when the DS9 episode was first made, Richard Arnold told convention audiences that the auction in "In the Cards" was indeed selling off material from "The Most Toys" collection (TNG). The writers didn't make the link too strong, on purpose, but it's there as an easter egg for those who catch it.
 
erastus25 said:
I am in the process of rewatching TNG for the first time in a number of years. I just finished The Most Toys and was stunned to see that Kivas has a Roger Maris card on his ship. I was stunned because I always assumed that the card in DS9's In the Cards (which I believe Quark mentioned came from a derelict ship) was the card from The Most Toys. Anybody think it's possible that the DS9 writers were trying to reference the TNG episode, but screwed up the card?

Ummm.... the card from "In the Cards" was a Willie Mays card.
 
Huh, I never even began to think of putting those two episodes together like that. Now I kinda wish they had made the link more obvious, because I would have loved to have been able to pick this up.
 
Therin of Andor said:
If memory serves, the link is mentioned in the "DS9 Companion", too.

It's not mentioned in the DS9 Companion. I looked before I posted. :)

I agree with you JD - it would have been a super cool connection, and I really did think that Quark's dialogue implied as such. Sadly, it doesn't fit with the end of the TNG story. Although, there was another collector of unique artifacts in that TNG episode - I've decided my personal canon is that Kivas ratted him out and his ship containing a Mays card was left drifting. Unlikely, but fun.
 
erastus25 said:
I really did think that Quark's dialogue implied as such. Sadly, it doesn't fit with the end of the TNG story.

Close enough though. As I said, Richard Arnold told us at the time it was definitely supposed to be the connection. ST often left the nostalgia links between episodes vague, such as McCoy's identity in "Encounter at Farpoint" and exactly which era of Klingons had been "at war" with the UFP in TNG's "Emissary".

Fajo probably had more than one rare baseball card in his collection. If the end of "The Most Toys" stated that the original owners would be contacted, I'm willing to bet there was still enough left over to let "Christy's" and "It's A Wrap!" auction off the rest.
 
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