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In the 26th century...

Mudd

Who cares?
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It pains me to admit that Devin Faraci may have made a smart observation, but even a blind pig finds an acorn now and again.

By skipping ahead a generation after Picard and friends they could maintain the futuristic visuals of the new series - the Apple Store bridges, the new uniforms - while keeping their history alive.
That suggestion was made in the service of setting the show in the oldTrek "universe," but given the history of the way that Trek has been rebooted from time to time it solves essentially the same problems if it's done for a show set in the nuTrek continuity.

Both TNG and Enterprise managed soft reboots of Star Trek by moving the setting into a putatively different century and using this as an excuse to pretty freely redesign the look and feeling of the show while giving themselves the latitude to ignore or reframe previous continuity that was inconvenient.

TNG deliberately did not refer to much specific history between the time of TOS and the 24th century setting for the first few seasons - other than McCoy, we didn't know what happened to anyone we were familiar with. Beyond that, the producers tried hard for at least a year to introduce a lot of new alien species while largely ignoring the established ones. When Romulans reappeared near the end of the first season, they were just as inexplicably different from their TOS counterparts as the Klingons had been in ST:TMP.

So, the future-of-the-future is another way to sidestep the question of what version of continuity the show's set in until it's reasonably well-established.

The occasional offhand reference to Kirk and Picard as historical figures can be made without being so specific as to have to account for what their careers were like.

Vulcan? Why mention it at all? You can have Vulcans galore without landing on Vulcan.

We know that Romulus was destroyed in the oldTrek 24th/25th century, but we don't know that it survives in nuTrek either.

A century or two later, it's really not necessary for anyone to discuss how any of that shit with the Founders or the Cardassians worked out exactly. You can stick the occasional Cardassian into a story without mentioning history at all. They didn't explain the Federation/Klingon alliance for the longest time; early in TNG they weren't even clear that the two were still separate political entities.

When they do show up, make Cardassians and Ferengi look as cool and different as you like - previous producers got away with doing the same to the Klingons and Romulans.

The uniforms and the ships all look different because it's a different era.

If the producers want the Klingons to be at odds with the Feds again - hey, it's a different era. The fans can go nuts speculating on what the "Great Alpha Quadrant War (okay, the writers can hopefully coin better than that)" for a year or two or ten without ever being told a single detail beyond the name.

Since every era on Star Trek is essentially identical to every other, they don't have to change anything about the format or technology in any way. Okay, say "quantum torpedo" instead of "photon torpedo" and claim the transporter works over a greater distance - since Trek has never been consistent about what that difference is, its a difference that makes no storytelling difference. Likewise, if they say "we can do warp 15 now," so what - the ship will still arrive just in time when the story needs it to and will arrive too late when the plot requires that, just the way it always has.

This kind of soft reboot has worked for them sometimes and not others, but it does seem to be the solution that's least complicated in terms of design, series format and storytelling.

TL,DR: Say that the show's set further into the future, do another soft reboot and do Star Trek over again. Again.
 
What would the benefits be over doing a complete "reboot" where the series is in a brand-spanking new universe with no continuity ties whatsoever? (Like BSG.)

Do you think the overlap between fans who want the new show set in the old universe and fans who wouldn't freak out about continuity errors is small enough for it to be worth it? It worked for TNG I suppose but there's a lot more continuity to "(dis)respect" now than when TNG came out.

I imagine for casual viewers who wouldn't get hung up on continuity errors to not care that it wasn't set in the same universe either?
 
What would the benefits be over doing a complete "reboot" where the series is in a brand-spanking new universe with no continuity ties whatsoever? (Like BSG.)

Less tedious shirt-tearing and screaming freaking out on the Internet? ;)
 
This would be a safe and painless setting. The only drawback in my opinion would be that you wouldn't be able to have many guest stars/cameos from old series'.

Not a huge deal but it's much more preferable than an alternate timeline/hard reboot.
 
Why am I supposed to give a shit? They can set it ten minutes after TNG for all I care. Actually, they could set it at the exact same time as TOS but just have it be a different crew and ship.

I just don't care. As long as it's well written, engaging, blah, blah beam me up, blah.
 
When they do show up, make Cardassians and Ferengi look as cool and different as you like - previous producers got away with doing the same to the Klingons and Romulans.

Only within certain limits, I'd think. Suppose they redesigned the Ferengi to be an aquatic species, for example.... that simply would be too ludicrous. (Or at the very least, I'd expect the new show to come up with a very interesting explanation ;) )
 
This kind of soft reboot has worked for them sometimes and not others, but it does seem to be the solution that's least complicated in terms of design, series format and storytelling.

TL,DR: Say that the show's set further into the future, do another soft reboot and do Star Trek over again. Again.

It's entirely possible. Although, as I pointed out in a different thread, this can also be used to set the show in the Prime universe at some point far enough post-Voyager. This way you can change the look up, not be tied to the canon so tightly, etc, but yet be in the Prime universe. But, sure, you could do this in the nuMovie universe as well.

TNG and Enterprise were really a continuation/sequel and a prequel. They take place in the Prime universe timeline, but before and after TOS. I guess you could call that a soft-reboot, but why come up with some nebulous new term?

Mr Awe
 
^ It's a term that doesn't really mean anything. Or, maybe, it means different things to different people.

TNG is a sequel to TOS and ENT is a prequel to TOS. Pretty straightforward. No need to confuse things by introducing vague terms.
 
So by 26th Century, you are saying it could be set in the year 2525?

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^ It's a term that doesn't really mean anything. Or, maybe, it means different things to different people.

Just like "reboot" and "reimagining."

Trekkies can call TNG and Enterprise whatever they want, but the productions were designed as recreations - or, if you prefer, copies - of TOS.
 
This is what I'm hoping for. I don't want a reboot. Keep all the old continuity and only reference it when needed. 100 or 200 years after the TNG era very little of what happened in the 23rd/24th century will have relevance. Just look at TNG. It barely mentioned TOS for years. I'm completely against a clean reboot. Setting it several hundred years later accomplishes the same goal without throwing out everything that ever happened in Star Trek. It leaves that door open but doesn't have to walk through it until the writers want to. Just like TNG.
 
If it's a reboot, then it doesn't matter what time period it's set in. I think people make way too much ado about nothing where this is concerned.
 
What would the benefits be over doing a complete "reboot" where the series is in a brand-spanking new universe with no continuity ties whatsoever? (Like BSG.)

Do you think the overlap between fans who want the new show set in the old universe and fans who wouldn't freak out about continuity errors is small enough for it to be worth it? I
If there was a reimagining of Trek comparable to NuBSG, there would be no continuity errors as such, because it would be a spanking new universe.

As for being worth while, I suppose that would depend on the view point of the individual. In my case, I would accept a reimagining just so long as the story is good. :)
 
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No reason the series even has to involve familiar races or local politics. I think they should actually be going 'Where noone has gone before' like TNG was originally supposed to be. Far enough away from the Federation that even a subspace message takes a month to arrive.
 
^ It's a term that doesn't really mean anything. Or, maybe, it means different things to different people.

Just like "reboot" and "reimagining."

Trekkies can call TNG and Enterprise whatever they want, but the productions were designed as recreations - or, if you prefer, copies - of TOS.

No, TNG was designed as a sequel to TOS. No need to make up a new term to describe that.

Mr Awe
 
Seems to me the more folks talk about and focus on what they won't tolerate or must have in the new series, the less likely they will ever allow themselves to like anything about it.
 
What would the benefits be over doing a complete "reboot" where the series is in a brand-spanking new universe with no continuity ties whatsoever? (Like BSG.)
I don't know that it's exactly a "benefit", but, tradition - there have been 7 different opportunities for a complete reboot (arguably more) but each time they have kept the continuity intact, at least in spirit. Seems like it would be a shame to throw that away.
The only drawback in my opinion would be that you wouldn't be able to have many guest stars/cameos from old series.
Ah, but I think you'd have to have at least one, in the first episode. That is also tradition. Who would it be? B4 (Data)? Odo? Naomi Wildman? One of the ships (Ent-E, Voyager, Defiant)?

I think Data. He could show up and unless they did or said something to nail it down it would still be ambiguous as to which timeline you're looking at the future of - since Data's head was under San Francisco in either timeline. ;)
 
^ It's a term that doesn't really mean anything. Or, maybe, it means different things to different people.

Just like "reboot" and "reimagining."

Trekkies can call TNG and Enterprise whatever they want, but the productions were designed as recreations - or, if you prefer, copies - of TOS.

No, TNG was designed as a sequel to TOS.

Not really. It's a reworking of the original material to suit Roddenberry's changed tastes and the commercial demands of the 1980s. It's a reimagining, same as Enterprise.
 
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