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[RobertScorpio]

We all know that many of our TREK stories borrow from each other. But what is the most blatant example of an episode of STAR TREK, or movie, pretty much copying another episode or movie (nemesis/khan excluded)....

TMP and The Changeling?

Rob Scorpio

 

[Michael]

Off the top of my head: The Naked Time and The Naked Now. Also, Shadowplay and Oasis.

 

[Whoa Nellie]

TOS 'The Naked Time' / TNG 'The Naked Now' would be my vote. It was pretty blatant.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[RobertScorpio]

TOS 'The Naked Time' / TNG 'The Naked Now' would be my vote. It was pretty blatant.

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

Yep..that is the most blatant one...

I have one..

There is an episode of DS9 where Obrien goes into the future by about three days or so. And he ends up being killed and his older self comes back and takes his place....

Then there is an episode of Voyager where Harry Kim, I think, does the same thing. And again they kill off the original Kim and older kim takes his place..

But I have to say? DS9's episode came first!!!

Rob

 

[captcalhoun]

harry kim doesn't come from the future. he comes from a duplicate Voyager which is coexisting in the same space/time as the other one.

 

[RobertScorpio]

harry kim doesn't come from the future. he comes from a duplicate Voyager which is coexisting in the same space/time as the other one.

Okay..something like that. But he came from the other ship and thus the Harry Kim we met at the start actually died...which is good! At least they tried to do something 'continuity' wise..and Like it. But...still...kind of like Ds9's little switcheroo..

Rob

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

wasn't there "Wink of an Eye"(TOS) and then "Blink of an eye" (VOY)? Or did I get them confused.

I think a great tradition for all teh series is to have a deseas affect the crew. Roddenberry knew that this owould be a good way to grasp the main ideas about each character early in a series' run.
These eps are:
"The Naked Time"
'The nkaed Now"
'Babel"
Oh I don't remember if there was Voyager one
"Singularity" (thisactually aired during ENT's second season and is highly underrated as a comic piece.

 

[Michael]

wasn't there "Wink of an Eye"(TOS) and then "Blink of an eye" (VOY)? Or did I get them confused.

But they just have similar titles. (In fact, I think one title is an homage to the other.) But the stories have nothing in common.

 

[RobertScorpio]

wasn't there "Wink of an Eye"(TOS) and then "Blink of an eye" (VOY)? Or did I get them confused.

But they just have similar titles. (In fact, I think one title is an homage to the other.) But the stories have nothing in common.

Bling of an Eye is my favorite Voyager episode...by far. I loved the entire story how a world built its dogma around the voyager in their sky...and how the society evolved over eons of viewing up at what they first thought was a miracle...great episode...CLASSIC I dare say!!!

Rob
Scorpio

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

harry kim doesn't come from the future. he comes from a duplicate Voyager which is coexisting in the same space/time as the other one.

Okay..something like that. But he came from the other ship and thus the Harry Kim we met at the start actually died...

Actually, no. There's no way to tell which ship was the duplicate and which one was the original. It can be argued that there is no such distinction anyway.

I mean, if you are walking along a road and it diverges into two, how can you tell which of those two is the 'original'?

 

[RobertScorpio]

harry kim doesn't come from the future. he comes from a duplicate Voyager which is coexisting in the same space/time as the other one.

Okay..something like that. But he came from the other ship and thus the Harry Kim we met at the start actually died...

Actually, no. There's no way to tell which ship was the duplicate and which one was the original. It can be argued that there is no such distinction anyway.

I mean, if you are walking along a road and it diverges into two, how can you tell which of those two is the 'original'?

Hmmmm..I'll have to watch it again. But didn't kim take the place of the other?? I seem to remember it happening.

Rob

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Hmmmm..I'll have to watch it again. But didn't kim take the place of the other?? I seem to remember it happening.

True, a Kim did go from one ship to the other. But 1) neither of those ships might have been the original anyway, and 2) even if one was, there's no way to tell which one.

 

[Alrik]

Insurrection borrowed a lot from Homeward.

 

[sbk1234]

Are we including TAS? If so, Trouble With Tribbles, and More Tribbles, More Troubles. Strangely enough, I don't get that feeling with Trials and Tribblations, eventhough they probably borrowed the most, using actual footage from the original.

 

[Ziz]

There's a difference between "copying" and episode's plot and one ep being a "sequel". Naked Now and TAS:Tribbles are sequels in that the continue the stories from Naked Time and TOS:Tribbles.

Eps that copied the plot - TNG: The Enemy (I think...the one with Geordi and the Romulan trapped in the cave) and ENT: Dawn (the one with Tucker and "alien of the week" trapped on a planet.

 

[sbk1234]

^^^^I agree about sequels continuing a story, but IMHO, both The Naked Now and More Tribbles, More Troubles so completely duplicated the original stories that, to me, the were little more than plot rip-offs. Too bad, because the "part ones" of each were two of my favorites.

 

[Ziz]

I guess it's a "splitting hairs" thing, then. As "sequels", they admit that the previous episode happened. Naked Now has the bit about "historical reference, Constitution class Enterprise, James T Kirk commanding", and More Tribbles references Cyrano Jones managing to get away from K-7.

A "copy" is one that takes the original story and tries to present it as if it's the first time, as if the situation never happened to anyone else.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Insurrection borrowed a lot from Homeward.

I agree. it also borrowed from "Who Watches the Watchers" with the duck blind. Also from TWOK with the nebula fight.

If they go into a nebula in the new film I will scream

 

[plynch]

Naked Now was considered a remake, IIRC. I remember in about 1986, the new series being promoted as going to remake some of the TOS eps intentionally. I'm pretty sure I couldn't make that up, but I have no reference for it.

A lot of episodes are similar, where the ship or character gets in danger, and then gets out of it. Almost Gilligan-esque sometimes.

 

[Starbreaker]

Of course The Naked Now and the Naked Time were similar. It was intentional, and they didn't exactly try to hide the fact.