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If you could go back....

Warped9

Admiral
Admiral
For fun.

You've come across a time machine and figured out how to work it, at least enough to make short jaunts. With the lessons of time travel in Star Trek firmly in mind you still want to give it a try even while you know you mustn't do anything that could alter history as you know it.

Still...

You love TOS and you'd love to visit the studio while the show was being made. And while you're there you get the idea of trying to make a suggestion or whisper in someone's ear for them to do something a little differently. You don't want anything radically different, but you want to suggest something you think would be appreciated by the generations of fans yet to come.

What might it be?

Maybe there's something from a future Trek series or film you'd like to have seen on TOS? Or from a different SF film or series?


For myself I immediately think of a few little things.

1. At least once throughout the run could Kirk say, "Lt. Uhura, you have the con."

2. In like manner, just once, could we see Kirk communicating with a Starfleet Commodore or Admiral who was played by a woman. Or maybe one of the roles like Commodore Mendez or Wesley could have been played by a woman. (and later, without changing a thing in "Turnabout Intruder," it would totally cement Janice Lester as a bitter nutbar."

3. It would have been fun if TOS had done something similar, just once, to TNG's "Lower Decks" where the supporting cast of Uhura, Sulu, Chekov and Chapel were the focus of the story. We got something remotely like that with TAS' "Slaver Weapon," but Spock was still prominantly there.


Anyone else?
 
Or maybe one of the roles like Commodore Mendez or Wesley could have been played by a woman. (and later, without changing a thing in "Turnabout Intruder," it would totally cement Janice Lester as a bitter nutbar."

I think the presence of Number One in "The Cage"/"The Menagerie" pretty much cements Lester as a bitter nutbar. Not that I'd be against the appearance of a female Admiral/Commodore/Starship Captain.
 
For fun.

You've come across a time machine and figured out how to work it, at least enough to make short jaunts. With the lessons of time travel in Star Trek firmly in mind you still want to give it a try even while you know you mustn't do anything that could alter history as you know it.

You beat me to the punch with your choices. Uhura taking the conn would probably be my #1 choice. A focus episode for Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, and---what the hey---a couple more for Scotty. I think you got the 3 most important.

But for conversation's sake, I'll add a couple:

1) I'd bring back a couple of characters:
a) Commodore Mendez
b) Yeoman Barrows
c) Yeoman Tamura
d) Yeoman Rand (in Season 2 and 3, maybe as a technician, Ensign, or some other job aboard another ship/station.
e) Although "That Which Survives" was late in the series, I would've expanded the role of D'Amato and brought back Lt. Radha.
f) Sarek
g) Shras (the Andorian played by Reggie Nalder)

2) Another Vulcan based story.
3) Sequel to Corbomite Maneuver and check up on the First Federation and Lt. Bailey. (A risky proposition.)
 
Or maybe one of the roles like Commodore Mendez or Wesley could have been played by a woman. (and later, without changing a thing in "Turnabout Intruder," it would totally cement Janice Lester as a bitter nutbar."

I think the presence of Number One in "The Cage"/"The Menagerie" pretty much cements Lester as a bitter nutbar. Not that I'd be against the appearance of a female Admiral/Commodore/Starship Captain.

Not to mention that, retroactively, ENTERPRISE showed us at least one female captain in Archer's time. Hard to imagine that Starfleet grew more sexist by Kirk's time.
 
You don't want anything radically different, but you want to suggest something you think would be appreciated by the generations of fans yet to come.
"Matt, Gene, Dorothy, Billy with the camera and everybody else; Document EVERYTHING!!! And keep it all, dammit!!!" :lol:
 
Yeoman Rand (in Season 2 and 3, maybe as a technician, Ensign, or some other job aboard another ship/station.
That would have been nice.


Seeing an Andorian or another Vulcan (female?) as a Starfleet officer even if in the background of a starbase.

Whisper in Paramount's ear to ease up on the budget restrictions in seasons 2 and 3.

Tell GR not to be such a dick and help Freiberger out more in season 3. Better yet make Justman (or Lucas again) producer and Fontana chief story editor for season 3.

For some of the season 3 stories put them through another rewrite or produce something else. And maybe listen to Deforest Research more.

"Matt, Gene, Dorothy, Billy with the camera and everybody else; Document EVERYTHING!!! And keep it all, dammit!!!" :lol:
Definitely.
 
Or maybe one of the roles like Commodore Mendez or Wesley could have been played by a woman. (and later, without changing a thing in "Turnabout Intruder," it would totally cement Janice Lester as a bitter nutbar."

I think the presence of Number One in "The Cage"/"The Menagerie" pretty much cements Lester as a bitter nutbar. Not that I'd be against the appearance of a female Admiral/Commodore/Starship Captain.

Not to mention that, retroactively, ENTERPRISE showed us at least one female captain in Archer's time. Hard to imagine that Starfleet grew more sexist by Kirk's time.

I'm happy that at least in the novels there are more females around Scotty in engineering or generally in TOS engineering. I guess he appreciates lassies with technical skills.... In TOS women were mostly nurses, comm officers or Yeomen/assistants..... :rolleyes:
 
My suggestions would be:-

1) Work with the novels to create a consistent canon universe, that you are not going to change your mind on later.
2) I have this novel from a writer called John M Ford, yes, I know it's dated in the 80's, but don't worry about that. Just follow his ideas for how the Klingons should be conceived.
3) And, lastly. At some point you will receive a script called "Spocks Brain" - reject it at all costs!!
 
All "Spock's Brain" needed was a proper rewrite.

As for the Klingons TOS didn't change their minds about them. That happened in the films and in TNG. So making that suggestion to the TNG staff would be more appropriate. The TOS Klingons left a fair amount of room for development, but it's what was done eith them long after TOS was over that changed the general character of the race.
 
All "Spock's Brain" needed was a proper rewrite.

As for the Klingons TOS didn't change their minds about them. That happened in the films and in TNG. So making that suggestion to the TNG staff would be more appropriate. The TOS Klingons left a fair amount of room for development, but it's what was done eith them long after TOS was over that changed the general character of the race.

Yes, very true on both counts. Although I do think that SB would require a major overwrite in order to be half decent!

Yes, TNG was the death knell of any sort of sensible Klingon conception. I guess Iwas just hoping (given the time travel premise of the OP) that ST could use Ford's Klingons in detail from the start. Establishing them so solidly that the TNG viking biker gang morons didn't even get a chance.
 
Well it would make a difference if TOS ever explored the Klingon culture, but they never did that.
 
Well it would make a difference if TOS ever explored the Klingon culture, but they never did that.

Yes, or if they had a fully conceived backstory which drove the onscreen portrayal.

He'll, if they had anything fully conceived at the start!! (Sorry my attempt at sarcastic humour).
 
Hard to imagine that Starfleet grew more sexist by Kirk's time.
In Turnabout Intruder there are two (or more?) possibilities ...

1) Janice was coo-coo for cocoa puffs.

2) Human society went thought a multi-decade long societal shift where females didn't rise to commanding officer positions, Número Uno had hit the glass ceiling.

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My suggestion would be to have more aliens in the Enterprise crew, we saw with Deanna Troi and Jadzia Dax that the makeup requirements didn't have to be that extensive. Mostly it could be accomplished through dialog and unusual names.

I would have them give Uhura a accent in her speech, sure Scotty and Chekov's were less than perfect, but go there with Uhura anyway.
 
I am just such a fan of Ford's Klingons and feel it is a minor tragedy that they were bypassed in favor of the TNG version. Ford's actually felt like a real threat to the Feds, rather than the "I'm gonna kill you cos you dissed my granny" that we actually ended up with.
 
I am just such a fan of Ford's Klingons and feel it is a minor tragedy that they were bypassed in favor of the TNG version. Ford's actually felt like a real threat to the Feds, rather than the "I'm gonna kill you cos you dissed my granny" that we actually ended up with.
Ford's book was damned good.
 
I am just such a fan of Ford's Klingons and feel it is a minor tragedy that they were bypassed in favor of the TNG version. Ford's actually felt like a real threat to the Feds, rather than the "I'm gonna kill you cos you dissed my granny" that we actually ended up with.
Ford's book was damned good.

Both books were, but in totally different ways!

And, being an RPGamer, I loved his colaboration with FASA which created their Klingon supplement. So loved being able to play in Ford's Khomerex!
 
I'd have really talked up how neat it would be to film and air, "Joanna".

I think I'd also have dropped some lines about pushing the envelop more and being even more progressive. In just a few years, some other shows are going to come along and make TOS seem quaint on this front. Since I have the advantage of knowing the future, it would be nice if the reality of the show ended up more highly correlated with the mythology that built up around it. For example, if Kirk was going to kiss Uhura, then he should've really laid one on her for several seconds full screen, and Roddenberry should've left it to the network to explain publicly why that was something they wouldn't air.
 
For example, if Kirk was going to kiss Uhura, then he should've really laid one on her for several seconds full screen, and Roddenberry should've left it to the network to explain publicly why that was something they wouldn't air.
Why wouldn't they air it?

On August 17th of 1965, NBC vice president Mort Werner sent Roddenberry a letter reminding Roddenberry of NBC's employment policy of including minorities, specially "negros," in NBC shows, and asking for Roddenberry's cooperation.

I've never read anything about NBC having a problem with "the kiss."
 
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