If Series 5 had been a later prequel...

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Enterprise' started by Xon-Ur, Sep 17, 2018.

  1. Xon-Ur

    Xon-Ur Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    There's a lot to like about Enterprise, and I was faithful from "Broken Bow" all the way to the end. There's a lot of frustrating elements in the show as well, which I think we've all recognized or at least have heard/read about by now.

    One of the fascinating ideas from TOS was that species from other planets--aliens, including Terrans--not only came together to fight a common enemy in the Romulans but decided to stick together after that conflict ended. Enterprise touched on the notion that each race had individual star fleets that eventually gave way to the Federation Starfleet. That had to have taken time and no small amount of compromise between such disparate beings. I can't see the Vulcans or Andorians, for example, easily surrendering or abandoning designs and methods they felt were superior that of other species to create something new.

    Since ENT went off the air, I've thought about what that very first Federation starship and crew must have been like. ENT was billed as "the beginning of Star Trek," but when we boil down the concept, the Federation IS Star Trek. Putting aside differences and working together, stronger united than apart. Imagine, then, if ENT didn't happen and Series 5 was about this very first Federation starship and her multi-species crew. Terran and other species' ships were likely re-christened as Federation starships until, finally, a team of designers, engineers, and other experts in various fields from all the founding worlds created the first ship that reflected them all.

    The saucer, for example, could be a design element developed by input from all the species. The transporter, too advanced for Earth's tech in the late 22nd century, is Vulcan ingenuity. The Andorians offer their weapons and tactical expertise and the Tellarites contribute their engineering prowess.

    Let's say it's about 5-10 years after the founding of the UFP and this new class of ship, the first Federation starship class, is ready to launch. To honor the man indirectly responsible for the founding of the Federation, the class is named Phoenix. The U.S.S. Phoenix is a feat of design and engineering, an unprecedented technological achievement made possible only through the cooperation of the founders. Her crew features Terrans, Andorians, Tellarites, and Alpha Centaurians. As for Vulcans, if there's no ENT, perhaps an advisor is assigned to the ship, T'Pol (or even better, T'Pau), who's not the arrogant and superior character she was in ENT.

    It seems to me this would have allowed Berman and crew to really do the proto versions of Federation tech: primitive phasers (lasers, perhaps), primitive communicators, maybe the first photon torpedoes and phasers, new tech created during the war by the founder worlds but now implemented on this new ship.

    I imagine deference to humans would lead to a human captain, though that could cause some conflict among crewmembers of other races. They're not just going to all get along after years of doing things their own way on their own ships. Maybe an Andorian security chief (like Shran might have become) and a Tellarite chief engineer. An Alpha-Centaurian CMO?

    How these wildly different beings work through their differences to achieve greatness and together push the boundaries of the final frontier would have been a much-needed inspirational metaphor, certainly after 9-11. We would see the very core of Trek develop before our eyes, truly offering "the beginning of Star Trek," not "the beginning of the beginning" like ENT.
     
  2. XCV330

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    Everyone has an idea for the show in their head they'd like to make. Yours sounds as good a premise as most, I guess.
    But what you're describing would have been an entirely new series, and not the one that UPN was sold on. If tthe network wasn't making enough money off of ENT to keep it going, they were not going to build new sets, advertise a completely different show between season 4 ending and season 5 beginning, and hope for the best.

    Season 5 might very well have worked if they'd used some of the ideas that have been shown, under Manny Coto's supervision, but the truth is, shows lose audience numbers year by year, usually. There are exceptions. They weren't going to get their numbers back to a level the network wanted, because they never really had been there. Everyone, me included, has some idea for how ENT could have been saved, but I think after all these years, it just had the run it was going to have. The mistakes that kept it from being a huge hit eary on were Trek lethargy, especially after Voyager, a pretty patchy first season, and mistakes made in the show itself, such as naming it Enterprise and not Star Trek: Enterprise, the opening theme, etc.

    Season 5 is always going to be a huge trek "might have been" alongside TOS season 4, Phase II, Beginnings, etc.
     
  3. Xon-Ur

    Xon-Ur Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I'm not suggesting my idea as a follow-up to ENT as much as what ENT should have been. I'm not sure the pre-Federation era was all that interesting outside of the Romulan War, and war had been done by the time ENT was made. This show would have used some of the same elements that were used in Enterprise (new and uncertain tech, conflict between species) but would have shown how Federation starships boldly going really began. Seeing an Earth ship with a few aliens exploring is a neat concept, but I'm not sure it was really Trek at heart. What the Federation represents is essential to the premise, IMO.
     
  4. XCV330

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    I thought they did an ok job of that by NOT being a Federation ship.
    they could have went even further behind and dealt with figuring out how to do things like flights to Alpha Centauri, or the early trading ship's adventures, but it would not have sold well. They could have done, as you suggest, a little later into the early Federation period.

    I've seen so many ideas for how Enterprise should have been, that someone should create a subforum or discussion group somewhere where everyone can post their fan fiction ideas for it. I even help run an rpg on a virtual world set in 2080 that deals with the period 70 years before Enterprise, so I'm not immune.

    but personally, I actually like what they did with Enterprise. There are things I'd change here and there, but it was a good concept, and most of it worked really well.
     
  5. Nathan

    Nathan Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I think Trek fans got spoiled. I have my one gripes about ENT, but I was a faithful viewer. Even episodes that I loathed, I was still grateful we had Trek on the air. Even tho' I am mixed about the series finale (TATV) -- don't throw tomatoes at me -- I think it was better than nothing.
     
  6. Bry_Sinclair

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    The year is 2162, two years after the end of the Romulan War and one year after the official formation of the United Federation of Planets. Now the first joint venture of this fledgling organisation, the first ship built for the new Starfleet, using technologies from multiple worlds manned by crews made up of each member prepare to launch: the U.S.S. Daedalus. Determined to move beyond their military needs, the key directive for the first Starfleet starship is to go boldly into the unknown, to make peaceful contact with other races, to support and aid those in need, and defend the interests of the Federation. Of course, much of the Daedalus' mission is as much public relations back home as it is expanding the collective knowledge and understanding of the galaxy, as there are many across all member worlds that believe the Federation to be a mistake and that it won't last, that each species is too different to find any common ground now that the war is over.

    Captain Alex Chase must assume command of this new ship, more advanced than anything else built by humans, and supervise a crew made up of eight species, many of which have endured long periods of hostility which were only brought to an end in the face of a more superior enemy. Captain Chase is heralded as the officer that ended the war, leading the allied forces daring strike at the key Romulan command outpost in the Cheron System, which drastically turned the tide of the war and saw the allies snatch victory. Disliking the limelight, Chase turned down a promotion to the admiralty, wanting to remain a line office, so when Starfleet was selecting the Commanding Officer for the Daedalus, there was only one person that could be agreed upon.

    That's just my initial thoughts, I'll get more added later (there's only so much I can do on my lunch break).
     
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  7. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Well Manny was on his way to a diverse crew, thought I read they wanted Jeff Combs as a member of the crew as an andorian.
    Wish they made it to the Romulan war, the book series on its was shoddy at best, would love a good telling of it.
     
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  8. The Wormhole

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    They'd never go for T'Pau in the main cast because that would mean paying royalties to Theodore Sturgeon (or his estate). That's kind of why we got T'Pol in the first place.
    That's funny since an "Earth ship with a few aliens" is basically what every other Trek series is.
     
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  9. Xon-Ur

    Xon-Ur Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I knew there was a reason they couldn't/didn't use the T'Pau name.

    You know very well that the only reason more aliens weren't seen was because of budget constraints. I'm not talking about what was shown and not shown by necessity, I'm talking about the premise of the show. There should have been far more aliens on Federation starships, especially by the 24th century. A prequel set in the early years of the Federation wouldn't have had just two aliens is the point I was making. There was little drama to be had with T'Pol and Phlox, whereas dozens of aliens (including Terrans, who are aliens to everyone else) working to co-exist aboard the same ship and for a common goal is what Trek is about. ENT's premise limited the show to T'Pol and Phlox, both of whom are canonical reaches. Phlox isn't a Starfleet doctor and T'Pol's just an advisor, but there'd be no need for such contrivances if the show was set in the early years of the UFP.
     
  10. Tenacity

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    I disagree.

    The Federation is usually this "something" in the background, vague and inconsistant, and not really essential to the story in most cases. Pretty much the same with the non-descript council.

    True both were name checked regularly, on rare occasions seen (at least the council), but the Federation could have easily been the Galactic Republic, the Colonies, or the Empire of Man.
     
  11. King Daniel Beyond

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    I'm pretty sure the only(?) time we saw the Federation council was Star Trek IV, and they were all wearing Starfleet uniforms:eek:
     
  12. Tenacity

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    I guess it was just TVH.

    The Starfleet personnel present could have been observers or guests, I don't think what we saw at the end of TVH was a full council meeting.

    While some might be aghast by the idea, the thought of a Starfleet officer seeking a seat on the council doesn't bother me.
     
  13. sumbuddyx

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    In the 90s I assumed that if they ever did a 22nd century Star Trek show it would be set in the first couple of years of the Federation and just be called "Star Trek: Federation". As a kid I'd always thought the design of the ship would be lifted from other races, like say the saucer was from the vulcans, earth brought the nacelles etc, which may not make a lot of sense in hindsight but I thought was an interesting way to trace ship history back through all the races instead of predominantly Earth. I'm fine with the NX-01 but I wish we'd seen an updated Daedalus-class at some point in the background and the fact there was an episode called 'Daedalus' without that ship had me fuming for a little bit :D I think the setting we got was fine and I would have had no complaints if the writing had been stronger.
     
  14. Tom

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    Enterprise is the 6th series #NOLOVEFORTAS :)
     
  15. Tenacity

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    Guinan and Deanna are two example of aliens that didn't involve expense. Whoopi Goldberg had no special makeup, and Marina Sirtis merely had colored contact lenses, All it takes to make a character an "alien" to to announce that they are such.
    I embrace the idea that what we were seeing with the hero ships in the various series were basically Humans ships that were loaned into Starfleet service. Other Federation members would have done something similar.

    This is why the crews were primarily Humans. Even the aliens serving aboard often (but not always) had a connection to Humanity. Spock was half Human, as was Troi. Worf was raised by Humans. Data (kind of a alien) was created by Humans.

    Voyager had Tuvok and a few others, however most of the aliens aboard seem to have come from the Marquis crew.

    Other than Dax, the alien Starfleet personnel stationed to DS9 were who? And Dax might have been there solely because Sisko requested her.