I've heard that some people involved in the making of the next film aren't entirely sure what to do regarding the appearance of the Klingons, if they are in it, e.g. the head ridges issue, how some Klingons have them and some don't. These guys should really watch ENTERPRISE "Affliction/Divergence"; that explains the whole thing. If they have to specifically address the issue, they should go by what those episodes established.
If Klingons appear in next movie
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I suppose I could loosely consider myself a 'canonista', but I have to admit I like your idea. There was a Trek novel (too long ago to remember which one) that established a number of Klingon species/races. So I don't find that idea all that far-fetched.
What would piss me off is if they just went with the old-style, TOS Fu-Manchu Klingons, with no appearance by the ridged guys, who are pretty well established as the primary race.
I mean, Nero may have altered events in the timeline, but that doesn't change the appearance of an entire race of sentient beings.
The limited makeup done on the Klingons for the last movie is intriguing in that it suggested a much more realistic, less stylized look to the brow, ridges and hair line.
That's the way they should be done - screw the flat-forehead crowd, just do the whole neandertal-bumphead design in a way that looks very, very believable. And definitely rethink that costuming - if they're going to wear anything like armor, let them wear armor that looks like it might be useful.
That's the way they should be done - screw the flat-forehead crowd, just do the whole neandertal-bumphead design in a way that looks very, very believable. And definitely rethink that costuming - if they're going to wear anything like armor, let them wear armor that looks like it might be useful.
Even though the actors aren't in full makeup because of the helmets, I really like what they did here. Just imagine ridges on these people, and these would quite possibly be the coolest looking Klingons we have ever seen.
I don't like Trek XI Romulans, though. Nero and Ayel were okay, but the others didn't really look like Vulcan cousins to me...
I don't like Trek XI Romulans, though. Nero and Ayel were okay, but the others didn't really look like Vulcan cousins to me...
That's a bad thing?
Because this...
...doesn't really look like an alien to me, but rather like a human with some weird makeup fetish.
I never really understood the need to explain the TOS look, and Affliction/divergence was IMO a complete waste of time (that was quickly running out).
It's not that it was a bad two-parter, really... Just unnecessary. I'm pretty sure that Gene Roddenberry would have made the Klingons look a lot more exotic, had he had the means back then.
I just think it looks too similar to a common ridgeheaded Klingon; it's not different enough. When other characters in the Trekverse have seen flat-headed Klingons for the first time, they've always been like "They're Klingons? No shit." Remember the barroom scene in DS9 "Trials & Tribble-ations"? In the Klingonese language, these Klingons were called QuchHa, which means "Unhappy Ones", because they were so radically unlike their pure relatives.
I thought the Klingons in the deleted scenes looked cool.
I expect future Klingons to have bumpy heads - that's the look the general public expects. It doesn't "break" the story in Enterprise or TOS, since we know that only one colony world was infected. Those smooth Klingons are "just off camera", like the Remans were before Nemesis.
I expect future Klingons to have bumpy heads - that's the look the general public expects. It doesn't "break" the story in Enterprise or TOS, since we know that only one colony world was infected. Those smooth Klingons are "just off camera", like the Remans were before Nemesis.
True.
I really don't want these people constrained, though, by trying to "not be too different" from previous versions of the Klingons. They should throw away anything that they care to.
I like just about all the stylistic differences Trek XI brought to the franchise, but some things just don't need changing - the transporter sound, Kirk's middle name, Starfleet Academy being in San Francisco, the look of Vulcans... and the standard look of Klingons. There's really no improving on the late-TNG/DS9/VOY Klingons, so why piss people off trying to?
(As for XI's Romulan makeover, that didn't bother me because we only saw a handful of potentially giant weirdos, and it made sense for the story to not make them look too Vulcan like for the uninitiated.)
(As for XI's Romulan makeover, that didn't bother me because we only saw a handful of potentially giant weirdos, and it made sense for the story to not make them look too Vulcan like for the uninitiated.)
I'm with M'Sharak, where's the link to this. . . because given what we know about Bad Robot productions, they don't give up secrets. . .and no one (except the production team) knows enough about the story -- since it isn't even totally scripted yet -- to know if the Klingons are in it.
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This pretty much mirrors my own thoughts as well, but as I stated above, I wouldn't mind seeing a group of slightly different Klingons, along with the types from ST:TMP/TNG/DS9 as well. I mean, even the ridge-heads varied quite a bit.
What I'm really curious to see, if they decide to go this route, would be the Talosians. But that's just a rumor at this point.
I don't think that the modern Trek Klingons are all that plausible looking. The little bit of makeup done for the Klingons in the Abrams movie was already superior in execution while being similiar in concept.
The execution was good, I just wish we could've seen more of them.
For that matter, I wish those scenes had actually been included in the movie itself and not just as extras on the DVD.
Definitely the Klingons should look cool.
I could see some ridge foreheaded Klingon go to his quarters and remove his ridges revealing a smooth forehead. Sort of like a Klingon toupee. Keep the Klingons the same but give them a better tailor.
I could see some ridge foreheaded Klingon go to his quarters and remove his ridges revealing a smooth forehead. Sort of like a Klingon toupee. Keep the Klingons the same but give them a better tailor.
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