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If Khan had asked for Resettlement rather then steal the reliant What would the result have been.

WesleysDisciple

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maybe an appalled reaction from starfleet? Possibly a full pardon for Khan and other Augments because of how embarrassed they were.

Or just quietly resettle them somewhere more habitable hopefully with a satelite monitoring their development?
 
This happens in a timeline without Ceti eels. Khan doesn't go mad with grief. He may even figure out how to send out a distress signal, if he has all his wits about him.

As for whether or not they exile him again or some other fate, well that would require a story where he is instrumental in saving the day during some random crisis that occurs while they are being moved.
 
Bear in mind that when Chekov found out what had happened to Khan, his reaction wasn't so much shock and dismay at what had happened to the planet, as him basically saying "You tried to take over our ship and nearly murdered Captain Kirk, and you really thought we were going to go out of our way to keep an eye on you?"

That being the case, I suspect that the most Starfleet would have done was set up a few pressure domes and hydroponics bays in order to make the conditions on Ceti Alpha V a bit more tolerable. Basically, made it into a penal colony with no guards.
 
maybe an appalled reaction from starfleet?

Appalled? No doubt. Making new Khans is still considered a hideous crime a century later. Assuming the kids we saw were Khan's, he's guilty on dozens of counts and probably would be executed thrice, with those neat long range torpedoes designed b... Umm.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Khan was a conqueror, he wouldn't ask for something he could take, even with all the odds against him.
 
Why would Khan have wished to be resettled? He never wished to be settled in the first place - that was an idea imposed on him by Kirk, when the captain had thwarted Khan's conquest plans.

But asking to be resettled is a plausible first move in any plan to retake Earth. Perhaps Khan would have learned subtlety from his first encounter with 23rd century folks. He did seem competent at playing people, and might well turn Starfleet against Kirk or whatever.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Well, He didn't need to request resettlement when he got the Reliant. As his second said, We have a ship, and the means to go where we want, He should have took the ship, and found another planet to settle, then if he felt the need to go after Kirk, he could have asked for volunteers to crew the reliant and chase Kirk while leaving a colony and kids safe.
 
maybe an appalled reaction from starfleet? Possibly a full pardon for Khan and other Augments because of how embarrassed they were.

Or just quietly resettle them somewhere more habitable hopefully with a satelite monitoring their development?

Khan had no communications equipment. He'd have to ask Terrell and Chekov in person, who were not expecting anyone to be there (or vice-versa). Khan's heard nothing from Starfleet after all this time, if it's true the other planet went boom-boom. So he's already angry at everything. Chekov also seemed quick to remind that Khan was going to commandeer the ship and murder Kirk, and if he was in the court room at the time he'd see how Kirk forgave the guy and the episode ended all happy and stuff. So there was little chance there'd be a good outcome and Khan didn't have any equipment prior to the explosion (or if he had and used it, no message would get out in time - and as everyone was surprised about anyone being there, Khan didn't have any communications equipment.)

Okay, Khan did say how Admiral Kirk "never bothered to check up on our progress." Why is he so sure Kirk would be the one visiting? Did he have communications equipment and called for Captain Kirk by name... but if anybody would get Commander Junior-Grade Tinkletoy instead?

In TWOK itself, there are enough plot holes or open issues, potentially suggesting:

a) Kirk never informed Starfleet he dumped off a bunch of dangerous hijackers - including a fellow crewmember - to some barren planet. Kirk is known to bend the rules for a positive outcome, but something as flagrant as all this? I'm thinking Kirk got it in the logs, decided it was up to Starfleet after that point since it's no longer up to him, an amicable decision was reached, Kirk has a zillion other planets to visit, and Ceti Alpha VI exploded and nobody knew about it (which seems odd as they have star charts)... then again, how did Khan know it was the neighboring planet and not something else? Did Space Seed specify the number of planets in the system as a base point? (Space Seed has Spock opining what it might be like in 100 years if a ship came back to see what Khan made of the place... so what did Kirk write in his logs? Or Spock, do all command officers say them only if they're filling in for the captain? )
b) the sensors Reliant and Starfleet had when scoping out planets were malfunctioning royally (the story does say that they found a potential planet and were going to confirm if life existed, so this point is now ruled out - at least to that extent, how they'd not notice a shiny new asteroid ring and radiation and flotsam and what looks like a communications satellite only it's not working for some reason is still a good sign their sensors weren't working properly. At least until Tuesday? Unless they were working... which then means there was no satellite and they wouldn't pick up on a new asteroid belt or other anomalous debris... a ship would,. when entering a solar system, scope out planets. In TMP, they did say they couldn't go to warp while in the solar system. Between TMP and TWOK they'd easily automate a function that disallows warp drive until they exited the entire system because that one's just too easy to screw up on, engage warp in a solar system, and wipe out all life in it because otherwise they wouldn't stress the importance of not engaging warp while in the populated solar system. Oops. )
c) Reliant's crew didn't do enough research into the logs before heading on out to Ceti Alpha V, thus being oblivious to "one of our planets is missing", the fact people might be there, and so on.
d) Starfleet accepted what Kirk said about Khan's and McGivers' conditions and didn't check up on anything and let it slide

Seguing to your points, it gets more fun:

e) any communication satellite would likely be destroyed in the shock wave, so Starfleet would send over some other ship - maybe with Uhura on board but then it'd be her and not Chekov taken over and introducing Genesis would have to be done differently
f) Khan would take any pardon and possibly run with it. He's so hell-bent on Kirk to begin with, even his son - Joaquim - couldn't reason with him and that's after they take Reliant, complete with the Genesis device. (But Starfleet would notice the absence of a ship and crew, McGivers notwithstanding it seems, and track Reliant down - so there is already an underlying time variable and Khan was just all ants-in-his-pants to kill Kirk and if they did go to another planet with a device everyone in the universe now wants... I suspect Khan knew all that and just focused on delicious cold revenge, flavored like gazpacho soup - which you also serve cold, and to anyone whose name is "Arnold Rimmer". But I digress.
g) How to get them to a new planet with communications equipment, as points (a) and the paragraph preceding it already set up how Khan isn't going to be bothered. He's more angry at Ceti Alpha VI for exploding without his consent. How can a planet explode like that and lay waste the adjacent planet that's just how many millions of miles away and how long the time needed for the moving of all that rock and dust given the relative force of the explosion? They'd likely see a big poof of light in the sky and then wonder what's happening for several months at least as the material from the outer planet moves inward, but that wouldn't impact the ecosystem unless VI was in the right place at the right time, which isn't too often.

In other words; for whatever reason, Khan just wanted revenge on Kirk. Whether or not he had comm equipment or tried it or anything else, it didn't pan out. But, yeah, imagine Khan not scowling and chewing the scenery...
 
a) Kirk never informed Starfleet he dumped off a bunch of dangerous hijackers - including a fellow crewmember - to some barren planet. Kirk is known to bend the rules for a positive outcome, but something as flagrant as all this?

Kirk tends to protect people he approves of, including many of his adversaries, going as far as hiding the very existence of such people. He lied to Starfleet about Zephram Cochrane (that is, he never told he met the guy); he lied to Starfleet about Gary Mitchell (that is, he claimed Gary was doing his duty when dying, when in fact Gary was an outright adversary and traitor). He probably also left Flint the Immortal die in peace rather than squeal on him - a recurring motif there, as Cochrane was also going to die (by Kirk's actions, if indirect - due to those, the Companion had chosen to cease to be a fountain of youth for him). Letting Khan perish on a harsh world would only fit that pattern where Kirk in theory has no blood in his hands afterwards.

Since Kirk tends to dictate his logs well after the fact (there being no chance of doing it while the events unfold, plus he says things like "unknown to any of us at this time" in 'em), lying about stuff is pretty trivial for him. He's also one of the three people officially acknowledged as capable of forging records, as per "Court Martial", and while Spock might do it because he's a computer wizard, and Ben Finney because he's a computer wizard and the Records Officer with all the clearances, Kirk probably can do it only because he has all the top clearances.

And Kirk did approve of Khan. Depending on which sources we trust, Khan might have been a hunted war criminal, or merely a deposed dictator; Kirk chose to dine with him, and confessed to admiring him, too. Scotty felt the same way, and McCoy was willing to join in on (what soon became) the joke at the expense of Spock who strongly disagreed.

Kirk would thus probably meet divided opinion if he exposed Khan to the broader public, too. So he quite possibly chose not to (as even Spock's angle here had been that the people did not want to know), and then forged a few records.

Contrary to common fan interpretation, nothing in "Space Seed" suggested that Kirk would plan on visiting the colony one day. Quite to the contrary, Spock speculated idly on the possibility of such a visit happening, presumably centuries hence, against the apparent default assumption that Khan would be left to his own devices and never suffer from observer effect.

Ceti Alpha VI exploded and nobody knew about it (which seems odd as they have star charts)

They only have star charts if a starship goes places and makes those. Planets exploded in "Doomsday Machine", too, and the only way to find out was for a starship to bump into the rubble - again and again, system after system, as our heroes followed the path of the thing that blew up those planets.

... then again, how did Khan know it was the neighboring planet and not something else?

As per the above Trek precedent, nobody would see Ceti Alpha VI blow up from a distance (at least not until hundreds or thousands of years later when the light of the explosion reached a Federation asset). Khan might see this happen with a telescope set up on CA V, though. Or then he'd deduce that the explosion happened, and he might be dead wrong for all we know; the heroes themselves never get to put a word in edgewise, or to conduct an analysis.

Did Space Seed specify the number of planets in the system as a base point?

No. But what difference would that make? Counting of planets is a chore: if an Earth space probe entered our own star system, it really couldn't tell whether there were any planets here at all initially, and even after a careful study, nothing about "Oh, now I have seen five" would tell it either "There must be more to go" or "That's all, folks".

(Space Seed has Spock opining what it might be like in 100 years if a ship came back to see what Khan made of the place... so what did Kirk write in his logs?

Well, he conducted an official inquiry, which included both Khan being cleared of all charges Kirk might have held against him - and Khan being given a planet to live on. He'd either have to delete the records of that inquiry, or then tell his like-minded superiors to bury the records so that the public would never find out. And he'd then have to do another Gary Mitchell and pretend that Marla McGivers had perished/disappeared in the line of duty, rather than betrayed everybody and eloped with the villain. But all that is right down Kirk's alley.

Or Spock, do all command officers say them only if they're filling in for the captain?)

Well, the only time we hear of Spock (or any other top officer hero) being disloyal to Kirk in this respect is ST:ID. Quite possibly, whenever Kirk announces over the PA "From now on, red is going to be green", there isn't a single crew member who'd dare or wish to disagree.

A ship would, when entering a solar system, scope out planets.

No, she wouldn't. "Doomsday Machine" is an excellent example of this. Ships don't care about planets, especially if they have maps of the system. So what happens is that they occasionally bump into the rubble of a planet and at that point first start scanning.

Scanning for the absence of a planet is a non-starter anyway. How could scanners tell that a planet is missing if they see nothing there? About 100% of space is supposed to be like that.

In TMP, they did say they couldn't go to warp while in the solar system.

...Because they had untested engines (ones that did go kaboom on them in the end). Before TMP, that is, in TOS, not only had it been trivial for Kirk to go to warp within systems - Scotty almost had a stroke when Kirk suggested they fly inside a system at mere space normal speed in "Elaan of Troyius".

Even with those untested engines, Kirk felt happy buzzing Jupiter at point blank range. Perhaps because he thought that if he did blow a gasket, it would be nice to be very close to a civilized planet? Buzzing of planets only happens with deliberation, though: you can't accidentally hit a planet even if it isn't quite where somebody else's haphazard space maps suggested it might be.

Reliant's crew didn't do enough research into the logs before heading on out to Ceti Alpha V, thus being oblivious to "one of our planets is missing", the fact people might be there, and so on.

It's clear the system wasn't flagged with "Khan Here, Beware", yes, and that even in the best of cases, discovering this would involve some digging. And it's unlikely the crew would do any research on the system, because what would be the point? They only wanted their desert planet. They went looking for it, and found it, and it didn't matter to them whether it was Ceti Alpha V or perhaps Tau Kappa ½.

They certainly couldn't have trusted existing logs on the matter: if such logs described the CA planets in detail, the ship would have no mission, and Carol Marcus would have found her desert planet simply by sitting down at the library computer with a nice cup of tea.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Assuming Kirk logged the story with Starfleet after Space Seed, had he greeted Chekov and Terrell exactly like that, explained what happened without being hostile? He absolutely would have been relocated.
 
Of course Kirk filed a report. H's a good officer. And with 430 people on the ship there's no way to hide what happened. Someone is going to talk to the higher up even if ordered not to. To think otherwise is more preposterous than the logic bombs in TWOK.
 
We already know Kirk lies a lot, about things like Cochrane or Mitchell. That's his definition of being a good officer: "Your secret is safe with me".

And what would the crew know? "This dashing-looking bloke came over and dined with us, and then apparently took over the ship. And then the top officers sorted it out somehow, just like the previous week. And the three times prior to that, come to think of it. But did I mention he looked absolutely dashing?" Kirk could quite freely write down that an, ah, John Erickson attempted a hijack and was phasered to oblivion, causing but a minor disruption to the scheduled program, but unfortunately also taking the life of my heroic A&A officer, whachername, Spock, help me out here...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I might like to see an episode where the Relativity rescued them prior to the catastrophe...Memory Alpha evacuated before the Zetar squeeze.

A nice, last ever episode of Star Trek, with some floating spacemusic:

PUTTING THINGS RIGHT
 
OK, they ask for resettlement and they get assigned a nice planet somewhwere in the backwoods. Starfleet periodically checks up on them and notices after a few decades that they don't seem to age. About a century from their initial resettlement, it is discovered that the rings have a rejuvenating effect and that this effect can be 'harvested'. These people are genetically engineered, should not have existed in the first place, and hence Starfleet has no compunctions in forcibly or stealthily relocating them. And hence we get a case of an even more convoluted 'insurrection' plot.
 
Kirk was protecting Khan.

The Augment Plague that killed billions of Klingons a century earlier.

Actually it was probably the Klingons who Fraked that solar system because Kirk kept that secret poorly.
 
oh morbidly curious how starflleet would have gone about things.

Sent a unarmed cargo ship down that would let them board and haa ve it escorted by a fleet of cruisers?
 
Spock doesn't get killed; Kirk doesn't steal Enterprise in Trek III to search for Spock; Kirk is not exiled on Vulcan, doesn't return to Earth in Trek IV; humpback whales are not retrieved from the past; probe destroys earth.
 
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