I'd just like to ask a question...

[Lapis Exilis]

I came here from st.com, I've heard it all. It just surprised me is all. Up till now, around here, I've only heard arguing and that is fine and dandy, it'd be pretty dull if we all agreed on everything. The implied hate of the statement gave me monentary pause to recall what I came here [hoping] for less of. No biggie though, still better than st.com; the land of absolutely no mod intervention.

No sweat. But I don't see where you get any hate directed at you or anyone else. I have great love for my fellow Star Trek fans and adore coming here to debate opinions with them. If you've been around fandom, it can't be any news to you that there are those who think canon is important, and those who don't. For me to say I don't think the tastes of people who think canon is important should be catered to is not hateful or even in any way personal, it's just an opinion about a movie.

In other words, it's not like I said your mama is a Denebian slime devil...

 

[scotthm]

And which Enterprise nacelles are canon--the ones with the spikes or the ones with the lights? When I see them transform back and forth from scene to scene it gets confusing.

Certain allowances are made for production realities.

I think there's hope for you yet. The production realities in this case are 42 years of hindsight and a much larger budget. That should count for something.

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[God Magnus]

The entire movie should deal with the disturbing discrepencies between TOS and ENT Andorian antennae. Ever since Shran showed up, I haven't been able to sleep at night.

OMG you too?!!!

 

[God Magnus]

Allegedly ST begins post NEM which occurs after Trials and Tribulations (correct?) so wouldn't the Department of Temporal Investigations be on this temporal incident like flies on crap with the intent of keeping changes from occurring in the first place?

Unless those changes were "always meant to happen". In which case they'd step back and let things go or perhaps just monitor from a distance. The other way we could look at this is that Spock has no time to consult anyone and most of this is done on the fly a la "The Voyage Home" and the DTI has no time to even get involved.

 

[SonicRanger]

And what happens if the timeline changes so much that it wipes out the Department of Temporal Investigations, the Relativity, and Daniels? They can't interfere then. We've seen that it only takes, say, moving Archer to the future to completely destroy Daniels' future and wipe out all his Temporal Cold War buddies.

 

[superstring01]

Allegedly ST begins post NEM which occurs after Trials and Tribulations (correct?) so wouldn't the Department of Temporal Investigations be on this temporal incident like flies on crap with the intent of keeping changes from occurring in the first place?

Does the DoTI very existence keep this from being a reboot? I think so unless Nero is so freaking bad-ass he can even outsmart them with thier time ships and temporal tracking technology.

What about Daniels? One thing we learned from him is the far future doesn't take this temporal incursion shit lightly.

JJ and Co had to take them into consideration. I think what we're seeing with changes are temporary temporal fluctuations which by the films end will be all sorted out.

From what I read, Spock is using a Vulcan ship to travel through time and is under the radar--as it were--of Starfleet.

~String

 

[RobertScorpio]

Allegedly ST begins post NEM which occurs after Trials and Tribulations (correct?) so wouldn't the Department of Temporal Investigations be on this temporal incident like flies on crap with the intent of keeping changes from occurring in the first place?

Oh man, thank you for reminding me of this. The opening scene of Trials and Tribble-ations may well be the funniest 3 minutes of Trek ever.

"The man was a menace!"

Meanwhile, count me in the crew that hopes to god Abrams doesn't even give 3 seconds of screentime to please the continuity brigade.

On another TREK site I was banned for telling them that STAR TREK needed an Enema to clear out all of this continuity crap.

Fans who want strict following of that continuity ignore the fact that it has already been ripped to shreds..and it all started years ago. I think the first example we had a problem with nit picky fans? When Khan recognized Chekov. From then on its been one big GOTCHA game with that crowd....

Get the water bags ready!!!

Rob

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Allegedly ST begins post NEM which occurs after Trials and Tribulations (correct?) so wouldn't the Department of Temporal Investigations be on this temporal incident like flies on crap with the intent of keeping changes from occurring in the first place?

Does the DoTI very existence keep this from being a reboot? I think so unless Nero is so freaking bad-ass he can even outsmart them with thier time ships and temporal tracking technology.

What about Daniels? One thing we learned from him is the far future doesn't take this temporal incursion shit lightly.

JJ and Co had to take them into consideration. I think what we're seeing with changes are temporary temporal fluctuations which by the films end will be all sorted out.

The <b>Department of Temporal Investigations</b> looks like they investigate events reported to Starfleet after the fact by Starfleet personnel.

They also might not exist in the 23rd Century, so there is no reason to see them on screen.

Also, the far future seen on Enterprise was involving a Temporal Cold War, and was working to prevent interference from their own time.

The events in this film, list Star Trek IV and other voyages, are simply part of the normal history of events.

There is actually nothing that needs to be referenced in the movie regarding these two entities.

 

[Franklin]

The Department of Temporal Investigations. Equal opportunity employers. No birthdate discriminated against.

That time travel and altering the timeline in Trek would even become so common that such a permanent bureaucracy is needed is absurd. If the timeline is that easily and so often screwed up, we'd all live in fear of blinking in an out of existence. (Or, maybe we do.)

Who determines the "correct" timeline, anyway? The Temporal Supreme Court?

 

[Lapis Exilis]

On another TREK site I was banned for telling them that STAR TREK needed an Enema to clear out all of this continuity crap.

Fans who want strict following of that continuity ignore the fact that it has already been ripped to shreds..and it all started years ago. I think the first example we had a problem with nit picky fans? When Khan recognized Chekov. From then on its been one big GOTCHA game with that crowd....

Get the water bags ready!!!

Rob

Oh, I could name zillions of inconsistencies between episodes, between series, between series and movies. Back in the 70s there used to be a really fun article in some of the Trek Magazines called "Star Trek Mysteries - Solved!", in which the author would come up with these convoluted explanations for things like why Pike's Number One and Christine Chapel looked exactly alike (they were sisters, but grew up on different planets or something like that), and why Trelane and Koloth looked exactly alike (can't remember how she worked that one out). While I'm all for fans working out continuity gaffes for their own amusement, I strongly object when the writers are expected to spend valuable screen time trying to smooth that sort of thing out. I've assumed, since I heard this movie's story is going to involve time travel, that the producers feel beholden to explain on screen what is supposed to be a reboot. Personally, I'd be ever so much happier if they would just restart the Trek universe from absolute scratch, but since "old Spock" is going to be in it, I know that isn't going to happen. *sigh*

 

[Qonos]

Certain allowances are made for production realities. And for those who are overly hung up on that level of minutia, there's the remastered versions.

You no longer have a valid argument against anything in this movie until YOU SEE IT. You shot yourself in the foot with a phaser set on FAIL...

 

[RobertScorpio]

On another TREK site I was banned for telling them that STAR TREK needed an Enema to clear out all of this continuity crap.

Fans who want strict following of that continuity ignore the fact that it has already been ripped to shreds..and it all started years ago. I think the first example we had a problem with nit picky fans? When Khan recognized Chekov. From then on its been one big GOTCHA game with that crowd....

Get the water bags ready!!!

Rob

Oh, I could name zillions of inconsistencies between episodes, between series, between series and movies. Back in the 70s there used to be a really fun article in some of the Trek Magazines called "Star Trek Mysteries - Solved!", in which the author would come up with these convoluted explanations for things like why Pike's Number One and Christine Chapel looked exactly alike (they were sisters, but grew up on different planets or something like that), and why Trelane and Koloth looked exactly alike (can't remember how she worked that one out). While I'm all for fans working out continuity gaffes for their own amusement, I strongly object when the writers are expected to spend valuable screen time trying to smooth that sort of thing out. I've assumed, since I heard this movie's story is going to involve time travel, that the producers feel beholden to explain on screen what is supposed to be a reboot. Personally, I'd be ever so much happier if they would just restart the Trek universe from absolute scratch, but since "old Spock" is going to be in it, I know that isn't going to happen. *sigh*

I totally agree...they should have just rebooted with out Spock/Nimoy. If they had done that it would have done two things...

1. Let them start all over with out having to go on and on with these continuity issues.

2. Shatner wouldn't be taking pot shots at the movie because, ta da, he and Nimoy, and the lower deck characters (sulu-scotty-chekov-uhura) would also have been rebooted....

They can also say that from this point on, meaning after the events of the next movie, everything is totally new from that point on....in essence an alternate time line..fine with me..

Rob

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

I'm hoping that this movie will dwell primarily on the minutiae. It's the only way to save the franchise.

The entire movie should deal with the disturbing discrepencies between TOS and ENT Andorian antennae. Ever since Shran showed up, I haven't been able to sleep at night.

As a side note, if you type the word "minutiae" into Google, the second (or sometimes third) link listed is a Star Trek website.

Coincidence?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I get it as the eighth, but that's pretty remarkable.

www.st-minutiae.com